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&lt;div&gt;How about your stance on medical marijuana? Someone mentioned it in IRC. [[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]] 15:30, 5 May 2006 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Pete, I'm curious about this, too.  I recently made a blog post on this topic.  You can find it [http://www.dilvie.com/reality/2006/07/its-time-for-utah-to-take-stand-on.html here]. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 14:02, 23 July 2006 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fast-track for mirror-image pseudoephedrine approval ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I don't understand the last paragraph. I'm not even sure how to parse the sentence. Is &amp;quot;mirror-image pseudophedrine approval&amp;quot; the object? If so, what does it mean? (I'm sure I could look this up, but then I would still want it clarified in the article, and probably wouldn't feel comfortable doing that for you.) --[[User:Wthrower|Wthrower]] 20:12, 18 July 2006 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've rephrased the last sentence.  Let me know how that works.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:34, 19 July 2006 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, that definitely eliminates the ambiguity that I found confusing. Thanks. --[[User:Wthrower|Wthrower]] 15:14, 19 July 2006 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* General Policy Questions */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They don't produce much power primarily because we have invested too little in them.  Green energy is abundantly available, and there are a lot of very smart people working out better ways for us to harness it.  We need to pay more attention to them.  You're right that no single source is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuels, but we don't have to rely on any single source.  There are several very promising options to choose from, and we need to invest in them more heavily.  Utah is commited to a nuclear-free policy, and, thus far, it appears to be working for us. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:18, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Speaking of waste-to-oil, I found this text on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#endnote_www.greenfuelonline.com.816 Wikipedia's biodiesel article] &amp;quot;...independent results have shown that [http://www.greenfuelonline.com/emissions_to_biofuels.htm GreenFuel Technologies], a Cambridge, MA company founded by Isaac Berzin, has been successful in producing biodiesel growing algae on flue gas emissions from power plant smokestacks. Using a patented algae bioreactor, GreenFuel utilizes microalgae and a process of photomodulation to reduce emissions: 40 percent less carbon dioxide and 86 percent less nitrous oxide. This oil-rich algae can then be extracted from the system and processed into biodiesel, and the dried remainder further reprocessed to create ethanol. The company is testing their method at the MIT cogeneration facility and at an undisclosed 1000-megawatt power facility in the southwestern U.S.&amp;quot; [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:17, 28 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
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is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
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These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 17:55, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Conservation =&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The UNH page is about biodiesel, but you go on to talk about hydrogen.  They are two very different things. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:20, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
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= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
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''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
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* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;br /&gt;
::Perhaps because it would be very expensive, difficult, and time consuming to make much progress on this front. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 16:52, 29 March 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* BioDiesel */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They don't produce much power primarily because we have invested too little in them.  Green energy is abundantly available, and there are a lot of very smart people working out better ways for us to harness it.  We need to pay more attention to them.  You're right that no single source is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuels, but we don't have to rely on any single source.  There are several very promising options to choose from, and we need to invest in them more heavily.  Utah is commited to a nuclear-free policy, and, thus far, it appears to be working for us. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:18, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Speaking of waste-to-oil, I found this text on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#endnote_www.greenfuelonline.com.816 Wikipedia's biodiesel article] &amp;quot;...independent results have shown that [http://www.greenfuelonline.com/emissions_to_biofuels.htm GreenFuel Technologies], a Cambridge, MA company founded by Isaac Berzin, has been successful in producing biodiesel growing algae on flue gas emissions from power plant smokestacks. Using a patented algae bioreactor, GreenFuel utilizes microalgae and a process of photomodulation to reduce emissions: 40 percent less carbon dioxide and 86 percent less nitrous oxide. This oil-rich algae can then be extracted from the system and processed into biodiesel, and the dried remainder further reprocessed to create ethanol. The company is testing their method at the MIT cogeneration facility and at an undisclosed 1000-megawatt power facility in the southwestern U.S.&amp;quot; [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:17, 28 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
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is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
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These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 17:55, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Conservation =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The UNH page is about biodiesel, but you go on to talk about hydrogen.  They are two very different things. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:20, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
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= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
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''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
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* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Defense</id>
		<title>Talk:Defense</title>
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				<updated>2006-03-25T18:37:39Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* DefenseWatch */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Since this one came up, I've been grappling with the idea for weeks.  The military seems to be on the cutting edge of technology with more than enough budget to research everything from image recognition to robotic soldiers.  If there are any military, ex-military, or military experts who can fill in the blanks as to what exactly is needed and not being addressed currently, it would help for crafting a position.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 23:42, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== too much! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Look, we have some 750+ military bases scattered around the world. There is no country able to threaten us militarily. Let's stop spending this craziness and start supporting US domestic issues.&lt;br /&gt;
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-the doc-&lt;br /&gt;
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== DefenseWatch ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone posted a link[[http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&amp;amp;screenKey=cmpDefense&amp;amp;htmlCategoryID=30&amp;amp;htmlId=4514 1]] a couple months ago that talked about soldiers in Iraq not being allowed to wear their non-issue body armor (which was provably superior to the military issue stuff).  The site also seems to have other related (possibly interesting) articles[[http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&amp;amp;screenKey=cmpDefense&amp;amp;htmlCategoryID=0 2]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[1] http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&amp;amp;screenKey=cmpDefense&amp;amp;htmlCategoryID=30&amp;amp;htmlId=4514&lt;br /&gt;
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[2] http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&amp;amp;screenKey=cmpDefense&amp;amp;htmlCategoryID=0&lt;br /&gt;
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:I fear this is the result of bad planning and poor spending priorities, rather than the result of under funding.  Federal spending for the armed forces is really high, compared to every other country in the world.  I refer you to [http://www.truemajority.com/oreos/ Ben Cohen's Oreo animation].  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:37, 25 March 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Politics</id>
		<title>Talk:Politics</title>
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				<updated>2006-03-17T18:56:17Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Both major parties have plenty to be ashamed of.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Which is why I choose not to align myself with either.  If an independent candidate had a fair shot of getting elected, I wouldn't run with any party at all.  I feel so strongly about opposing the two party system, though, I refuse to run under the banner of either party.  Republicans no longer stand for fiscal responsibility and the limitation of government power, and the Democratic party seems bent on socializing everything.  For now, I'll run as a [[Libertarian]].  The party line seems a bit too enthusiastic about reducing the role of government, but I think it provides a necessary balance.  Government has been over-stepping from both sides of the aisle.  Somebody has to stand up in opposition to the growing influence of government in America. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:07, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::First off, are you running?  If so, could you link your campaign here?  &amp;quot;If an independent candidate had a fair shot,&amp;quot; is precisely the way I feel.  However, consider the impact a Democrat winning this race would have.  Nobody in Washington or the national party is betting on this race and that is fine by me.  However, if I am elected, think of who would be dictating to the party then.  Who would they be listening to?  The &amp;quot;professional election losers&amp;quot;, or the guy who just won in Utah?  The most effective change is change from within.  Right now I feel it is easier to steer the Democrats back to John Kennedy than it would be to steer the Republicans back to [[Teddy Roosevelt]]. --[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 23:13, September 15, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I'm not running for the same office, but I'll certainly run for a state seat.  I need to meet with some people before I make an official announcement, but I'll probably endorse your campaign. --[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:16, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I have officially filed my declaration of candidacy for the Utah State House District 24, as a Libertarian.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:56, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that it would be very politically helpful to Utah if a Democrat won a federal position here.  Right now Democrats feel that Utah is not worth their time since they can only get local candidates elected in a few places like Salt Lake City (the city, not county) and Park City.  Their chances are so low that Utah is not worth their time, money, or attention.  By the same token, the Republicans feel like they comfortably have Utah; therefore, they do not need to invest a lot of money, time, or attention in the state.  Thus, the national arms of both major political parties do not focus on Utah -- to our detriment.  If Utah puts a Democrat in federal position (like Senator Hatch's seat) or in the governor's office, both parties might pay more attention to the Beehive State.  The Democrats just might think that they have a chance for success here, and the Republicans might think that they were not as dominant as they thought.  That is why I hope that we get a Democrat into either the governor's office, US Senate, or US House of Representatives.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:00, 13 December 2005 (MST)   &lt;br /&gt;
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== Democrats: The Peopleâs Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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My grandparents were immigrants from Norway.  The arrived in the 1920s, and they came to this country to help build up Zion.  They were newly married when the stock market crashed and [[The Great Depression]] began.&lt;br /&gt;
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My entire life, whenever I entered my grandparents home, I was greeted with a portrait of FDR placed high on the wall in my grandparents entryway.  When asked about it, my grandfather would point up to it and exclaim, âThis was a great man.  He saved us.  He was a man of the people. He was my President.  Oh, how I loved him.â&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, if one studies much of history, one will know that FDRâs origins certainly werenât from the working class.  In fact, many of the peers of his âclassâ snubbed them (and Eleanorâhow dare she tramp about the South condemning the conditions for the poor?) for caring too much for the people.&lt;br /&gt;
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A few years ago, I was at a Newly Elected Officials training for the [[Utah League of Cities and Towns]].  The Leagueâs legal counsel, David Church, and I were talking politics (what else does one do at an Elected Officials Training?).  David said that his father was a Democrat.  He is a farmer and always voted for the working class people.  David said, âNow, my poor old dad doesnât know what to think!  He still votes Democratic, but heâs not sure that Hollywood is from the working class.â&lt;br /&gt;
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Iâve thought about that so much since then.  How did the âPeopleâs Party,â the âWorking Manâs Partyâ turn into scorned liberals and glitzy Hollywood?  Or has it?  Are the Republicans simply better marketers recreating their image to be in the best interest of every day Americans?&lt;br /&gt;
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I donât know.  &lt;br /&gt;
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But, I do know that Pete Ashdown is of the people.  He is one of us.  He exemplifies the âAmerican Dreamâ of working hard, working smart, and building a successful life.&lt;br /&gt;
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He will represent us well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Loretta Gale&lt;br /&gt;
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== A New Democrat for a New Time ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pete Ashdown is exactly the kind of Democrat I can identify with.  The exact reason why I am a Democrat is because I believe that there should be no poor class in America.   As a society we are judged by how we treat those of less fortune.   Other issues like fiscal discipline are also extremely important to many of the voters.  Being able to identify as a  Democrat that listens to the people is exactly what Utah needs from Democrats.  Too often Democrats get termed as &amp;quot;tax and spend liberals&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;out of touch with American culture&amp;quot;.  Worse we get termed as &amp;quot;hollywood types&amp;quot; which immediately conjures up an image of hippies trying to save the sky through some backwater religious practice.   I think Pete Ashdown eradicates the typical conception of a Democrat.   He has vision, he has knowledge of the issues, and more importantly he has policy goals that will attach to the sensibilities of a large group of voters.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Remington Johnson, [[Young Democrats of Utah]] President&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wikification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pete, can you follow the links that I just created and give us some background on what you learned from Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, etc.?  I think that might help define for the voters of Utah just how far out of the mainstream the current [[Republican]] Party is. [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 14:22, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chadlupkes, not sure what you were trying to link but it didn't come out right.  If the links are red, the links are dead.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 22:19, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::They are the links to Teddy, Lincoln and Eisenhower.  [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 20:22, 17 February 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Immigration</id>
		<title>Talk:Immigration</title>
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				<updated>2006-03-17T18:48:29Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Fence? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Resources for immigration policy (many organizations are biased, but their studies are still worthy of investigation):&lt;br /&gt;
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-[http://www.cis.org Center for Immigration Studies]--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:17, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tracking ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not convinced that tracking immigrants is so important, and I believe that the problem with immigration is not so much that people are immigrating, but the rate at which our society is able to absorb them.  Rather than spending so much time, money, and energy trying to keep them out, shouldn't we focus on helping them find quality living situations and jobs?&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to encourage quality living in their homelands, rather than hunt them down like dogs in the desert, only to send them back through the dangerous revolving door?&lt;br /&gt;
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How much money would tracking cost?  Don't you think that could be better spent on programs that have a real chance at solving some of the tough challenges that immigration presents?&lt;br /&gt;
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The fact is, most immigrants are not terrorists and criminals.  They're just people trying to find quality of life and feed their hungry families.  Treating them like criminals is not a quality solution.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:49, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe a biometric identification program should be introduced for US citizens. Those that illegally immigrate can be identified by their lack of recorded ID. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 04:56, 5 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I believe that a biometric id program is a serious threat to individual liberties and privacy, and I would fight tooth and nail against it. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:39, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fence? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That said, illegal immigration poses a serious threat to America's national security. Mexican gangs, drug runners, and coyotes currently violate our boarders at will. This must be stopped. Increased funding and manpower for the Border Patrol have consistantly failed to meet this objective. The only illegal immigration counter-measure that has met with wide success is the fence currently errected allong parts of the border. This fence must be extended across the entire border in order to make all of America safer.&lt;br /&gt;
[moved from article page]&lt;br /&gt;
:Has anyone investigated the costs of doing this?  It would seem to me that it would be significant.  Higher than any sort of patrol and monitoring.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:48, 23 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Virginia, is seeking $2 billion to build a fence along the border with Mexico...Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday that fencing didn't make sense in deserts. 'A wall across the border would be phenomenally expensive,' he told reporters, and 'it wouldn't be particularly effective'&amp;quot;(http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/01/congress.immigrants.ap/index.html).--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:27, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::As long as people can climb, a fence will surely be useless..? Fencing seems a very crude solution to the problem. I believe an enforced national ID system would be more effective in tracking illegal immigrants --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 04:53, 5 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::So you would sacrifice your own privacy and let the government track every movement you make in order to demonize anybody who isn't being tracked and monitored like criminals?  I'm sure many people have credit cards.  Credit card purchases are watched closely by credit card companies for anomalies in user buying habits.  This happens automatically.  If you do something drastically different from what you would normally do, it sets off a red flag for possible credit card fraud.  In a world full of biometric ID's, something similar will happen in law enforcement.  The moment you agree to biometric ID, you open yourself up to automated and arbitrary scrutiny.  This would be a very grave step towards totalitarian government, and the rape of individual liberty.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:48, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:In my opinion the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; would be an enormously expensive, and highly ineffective tool for controlling illegal immigration.  Please consider:&lt;br /&gt;
# About one-third of those who immigrate illegally are not Latin-Americans.  Most of the remaining third are Canadians.  The &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; does not apply in any way to control the illegal immigration of this third.&lt;br /&gt;
# According to most estimates, between 40% and 60% of all illegal immigrants enter legally, but then simply stay, thereby becoming illegal.  That being the case, of the remaining 66%, only about half would be in any way effected by the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; - or about 33% of all illegal immigrants.&lt;br /&gt;
# When an illegal alien is captured trying to cross the border, that person is returned to his country of origin.  In many, if not most cases, that person will simply turn around and try again, and again, and again, until he or she is successful.  Statistics are difficult to come by, but for sake of ease let's assume that 50% of illegals who are apprehended simply give up and remain in their country of origin, while the remaining 50% continue to attempt a crossing until they are successful.  If this is true, then the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; is only effective for one half of the remaining 33% of illegal aliens, or about 16% of all illegal immigrants.&lt;br /&gt;
# It is a certainty that the fence can never be 100% effective at stopping every crossing.  For example, even the most draconian fence proposals, such as the one recently passed in the U.S. House, don't suggest that the fence should cover the entirety of the U.S./Mexican border, simply because of the remoteness and difficulty of the terrain.  For sake of simplicity, let's assume the fence is effective 50% of the time.&lt;br /&gt;
:Summary:  Rough calculations based on reasonable assumptions lead one to believe that the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; would only impede the crossing of 8% of all illegal immigrants.  Is that really worth the money? (Comments by Laurence Burton, moved from blog)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Thorny Issue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immigration reform is a hugely complex problem and very near and dear to people in Utah, since we are definitely a destination spot for a lot of Mexican and Central American immigrants. I'm a lifelong Democrat and I don't know exactly where I stand on the issue. In an ideal world, everyone would patiently wait to enter this country, and once here would make a concerted attempt to assimilate on a functional level, i.e. learn English. However this is not an ideal world, and the issues here run deep and are greatly emotional.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even the Republican party is widely split on what to do, unfortunately their division seems to run along two lines. 1. The big-business Republicans whom Bush has just made a paean to with his &amp;quot;guest worker program&amp;quot; who need cheap labor for menial jobs. This especially includes big agri-business who need migrant workers to harvest crops. 2. The cultural isolationists who simply resent the fact that government publications need to be printed in Spanish.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that a prudent Democrat would eschew both approaches, and call for expanding and simplifying legal immigration, and perhaps encourage and promote ESL and naturalization prep education. I also think that any talk of quotas will enrage most Republicans and large numbers of swing voters. So leave that out.--[[User:Jdjonsson|Jdjonsson]] 14:55, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some people cross the border illegally to have children in our country.  They know that citizenship is granted to all those who are born within the country's borders.  I personally do not mind this approach, but other countries do things differently.  For instance, in Switzerland citizenship is not granted on the basis that someone was born within Swiss borders; in fact, when immigrants apply for citizenship their pictures are hung around their area just like a political candidate runs for office here in the US.  People then vote them off the island or to grant them citizenship.  If we didn't grant citizenship based on birthplace, then that may change the attraction of our country to some foreigners.  I am not supporting or rejecting this idea, but I feel that it would spark an important discussion in our country.  The immigration issue would serve as important contemporary context for this delicate issue.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:10, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Department of Defense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't the Border Patrol part of the Department of Homeland Security?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, go to http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=13 for a list of Department of Homeland Security organizations.  --[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 19:39, 4 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:My reasoning here is that the DoD has experience, people, and equipment for patrolling borders.  I don't think DoHS has predator drones.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 12:25, 13 January 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>Talk:Immigration</title>
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				<updated>2006-03-17T18:39:16Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Tracking */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Resources for immigration policy (many organizations are biased, but their studies are still worthy of investigation):&lt;br /&gt;
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-[http://www.cis.org Center for Immigration Studies]--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:17, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not convinced that tracking immigrants is so important, and I believe that the problem with immigration is not so much that people are immigrating, but the rate at which our society is able to absorb them.  Rather than spending so much time, money, and energy trying to keep them out, shouldn't we focus on helping them find quality living situations and jobs?&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to encourage quality living in their homelands, rather than hunt them down like dogs in the desert, only to send them back through the dangerous revolving door?&lt;br /&gt;
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How much money would tracking cost?  Don't you think that could be better spent on programs that have a real chance at solving some of the tough challenges that immigration presents?&lt;br /&gt;
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The fact is, most immigrants are not terrorists and criminals.  They're just people trying to find quality of life and feed their hungry families.  Treating them like criminals is not a quality solution.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:49, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe a biometric identification program should be introduced for US citizens. Those that illegally immigrate can be identified by their lack of recorded ID. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 04:56, 5 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I believe that a biometric id program is a serious threat to individual liberties and privacy, and I would fight tooth and nail against it. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:39, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fence? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That said, illegal immigration poses a serious threat to America's national security. Mexican gangs, drug runners, and coyotes currently violate our boarders at will. This must be stopped. Increased funding and manpower for the Border Patrol have consistantly failed to meet this objective. The only illegal immigration counter-measure that has met with wide success is the fence currently errected allong parts of the border. This fence must be extended across the entire border in order to make all of America safer.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has anyone investigated the costs of doing this?  It would seem to me that it would be significant.  Higher than any sort of patrol and monitoring.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:48, 23 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Virginia, is seeking $2 billion to build a fence along the border with Mexico...Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday that fencing didn't make sense in deserts. 'A wall across the border would be phenomenally expensive,' he told reporters, and 'it wouldn't be particularly effective'&amp;quot;(http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/01/congress.immigrants.ap/index.html).--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:27, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::As long as people can climb, a fence will surely be useless..? Fencing seems a very crude solution to the problem. I believe an enforced national ID system would be more effective in tracking illegal immigrants --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 04:53, 5 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:In my opinion the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; would be an enormously expensive, and highly ineffective tool for controlling illegal immigration.  Please consider:&lt;br /&gt;
# About one-third of those who immigrate illegally are not Latin-Americans.  Most of the remaining third are Canadians.  The &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; does not apply in any way to control the illegal immigration of this third.&lt;br /&gt;
# According to most estimates, between 40% and 60% of all illegal immigrants enter legally, but then simply stay, thereby becoming illegal.  That being the case, of the remaining 66%, only about half would be in any way effected by the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; - or about 33% of all illegal immigrants.&lt;br /&gt;
# When an illegal alien is captured trying to cross the border, that person is returned to his country of origin.  In many, if not most cases, that person will simply turn around and try again, and again, and again, until he or she is successful.  Statistics are difficult to come by, but for sake of ease let's assume that 50% of illegals who are apprehended simply give up and remain in their country of origin, while the remaining 50% continue to attempt a crossing until they are successful.  If this is true, then the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; is only effective for one half of the remaining 33% of illegal aliens, or about 16% of all illegal immigrants.&lt;br /&gt;
# It is a certainty that the fence can never be 100% effective at stopping every crossing.  For example, even the most draconian fence proposals, such as the one recently passed in the U.S. House, don't suggest that the fence should cover the entirety of the U.S./Mexican border, simply because of the remoteness and difficulty of the terrain.  For sake of simplicity, let's assume the fence is effective 50% of the time.&lt;br /&gt;
:Summary:  Rough calculations based on reasonable assumptions lead one to believe that the &amp;quot;fence&amp;quot; would only impede the crossing of 8% of all illegal immigrants.  Is that really worth the money? (Comments by Laurence Burton, moved from blog)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Thorny Issue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immigration reform is a hugely complex problem and very near and dear to people in Utah, since we are definitely a destination spot for a lot of Mexican and Central American immigrants. I'm a lifelong Democrat and I don't know exactly where I stand on the issue. In an ideal world, everyone would patiently wait to enter this country, and once here would make a concerted attempt to assimilate on a functional level, i.e. learn English. However this is not an ideal world, and the issues here run deep and are greatly emotional.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even the Republican party is widely split on what to do, unfortunately their division seems to run along two lines. 1. The big-business Republicans whom Bush has just made a paean to with his &amp;quot;guest worker program&amp;quot; who need cheap labor for menial jobs. This especially includes big agri-business who need migrant workers to harvest crops. 2. The cultural isolationists who simply resent the fact that government publications need to be printed in Spanish.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that a prudent Democrat would eschew both approaches, and call for expanding and simplifying legal immigration, and perhaps encourage and promote ESL and naturalization prep education. I also think that any talk of quotas will enrage most Republicans and large numbers of swing voters. So leave that out.--[[User:Jdjonsson|Jdjonsson]] 14:55, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some people cross the border illegally to have children in our country.  They know that citizenship is granted to all those who are born within the country's borders.  I personally do not mind this approach, but other countries do things differently.  For instance, in Switzerland citizenship is not granted on the basis that someone was born within Swiss borders; in fact, when immigrants apply for citizenship their pictures are hung around their area just like a political candidate runs for office here in the US.  People then vote them off the island or to grant them citizenship.  If we didn't grant citizenship based on birthplace, then that may change the attraction of our country to some foreigners.  I am not supporting or rejecting this idea, but I feel that it would spark an important discussion in our country.  The immigration issue would serve as important contemporary context for this delicate issue.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 21:10, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Department of Defense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't the Border Patrol part of the Department of Homeland Security?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, go to http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=13 for a list of Department of Homeland Security organizations.  --[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 19:39, 4 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:My reasoning here is that the DoD has experience, people, and equipment for patrolling borders.  I don't think DoHS has predator drones.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 12:25, 13 January 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Guns</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* A stance that neither side of this issue will like */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;As a Republican, it is heartening to see that your position on gun control seems reasonable.  Though we disagree (as I would like to see even less regulation), I want to comment you on a reasonable and thoughtful position on this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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== A stance that neither side of this issue will like ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When it comes to guns I am split between both sides.  I believe that we should honor the constitution in that we have a right to bear arms, but times have also changed.  We are no longer dependent on militias to protect our country.  Also, society has become more inclined to violence.  My stance is that everyone should have the right to bear '''visible''' arms in public after they have somehow proven maturity (age, emotional, mental, social, etc.), a clean criminal record, and the understanding of how to properly/safely use and store firearms.  If people can see that others have firearms, they can account for the fact that someone is armed in how they act around them.  However, I also believe that '''only''' law enforcement and military personnel should carry '''concealed''' weapons.  I can understand that there needs to be some &amp;quot;hidden protection,&amp;quot; and I feel that the likelihood of a gun carrying bystander defusing a situation with guns is just as likely as he/she could worsen that same situation.  Basically, I feel that not only do I have a right to bear arms but I also have a right to know when others are, too.  Yes, I have thought about how the bad guys will always have contraband weaponry.  Also, I am aware that criminals are more cautious of robbing or hurting people in homes when they could have guns in the home, but having dogs of any type and security system stickers (even if there is no security system) are also effective deterrents to crime.  I would argue that dogs and stickers present less of a threat to people (especially young children and immature teenagers) than guns.  Am I right in believing that no one on either side of the gun issue would like my stance?--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:41, 5 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:First of all, the reason for reserving the right to bear arms to the people isn't for the national defense, it's for the defense of the people ''from the government''.  Remember, that the authors of the constitution had just overthrown their legal sovereign, George III, in an armed rebellion.  If the people are armed, the government has a different set of options available to it than if we are not.&lt;br /&gt;
::I've heard this repeatedly but find it a bit of a fantasy that a population would be able to defend themselves against the U.S. Military with shotguns, rifles, and handguns.  I'm pretty sure the Iraqi and Afghan military had less restrictions on weapon bearing than we do and they didn't fare so well.  Is this sentiment really believed?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 12:20, 13 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If it came to it, I'd rather have a shotgun than nothing! [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:30, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Secondly, attempting to disarm the people discards the advantage of good people outnumbering bad people.  Prohibiting concealed carry, makes it too easy for a bad person to look around and decide with some confidence that he is the only armed person in the vicinity.  It doesn't take a lot of citizens carrying concealed, to vastly change the risk profile for someone in the armed mugging business.&lt;br /&gt;
:Thirdly, by abandoning our arms, we would be abandoning our ''responsibility''.  The cops simply can't be everywhere all the time, and when some nutcase decides to shoot up a commuter train (as Colin Ferguson did on Long Island), the thing you need ''most of all'' is a rational person who is ''also armed'' and able to stop the perpetrator.  Ferguson was able to reload twice, before the people on the train realized that he wasn't going to stop, and that they had nothing to lose by jumping him.  In Israel, the terrorists have pretty much given up trying to shoot people in crowds, because they're usually killed by armed civilians before they manage to wound more than one or two people.&lt;br /&gt;
:If you're not comfortable carrying a weapon to protect yourself, your loved ones, and your community, then don't.  But by the same token, don't presume to make the rest of us join you in shirking that responsibility.  Some of us will carry in the open, some concealed, and I won't be second-guessing somebody else's choices in this matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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::First, it is nice to hear from somebody about my stance.  While we disagree somewhat, it helps to actually communicate.&lt;br /&gt;
::In response to your whole idea that I want to disarm everyone, I don't want to take away all firearms from people - just the concealed ones.  &lt;br /&gt;
::When it comes to people with guns helping out, let me quote myself: &amp;quot;I can understand that there needs to be some &amp;quot;hidden protection,&amp;quot; and I feel that the likelihood of a gun carrying bystander defusing a situation with guns is just as likely as he/she could worsen that same situation.&amp;quot;  You're right that there are good people who carry guns, but one bad person can negate the good done by many good people.  Also, law enforcement and military personnel are trained to use firearms in volitale circumstances, and I doubt that as many civilians would recieve such training.  Thus, they are more likely to worsen the situation than law enforcement and military personnel who have been trained.  &lt;br /&gt;
::In response to your nutcase on a commuter train scenario, I don't have a problem with civilians carrying visible firearms into such areas.  Just because their firearms aren't concealed, does mean that the firearms lack functionality.  Maybe if the nutcase sees that people (even just one person) have guns, then he/she would not act violently.  People bearing visible arms would serve as a great deterrent.&lt;br /&gt;
::Finally, I think that people can defend themselves and others by carrying visible firearms like they could with concealed firearms.  &lt;br /&gt;
::By the way, I went pistol shooting with my family  last week.  However, if you assumed that I don't go shooting often, you're correct.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 17:31, 30 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I don't live in Utah, but if I ever need to leave Texas, I would consider Utah as my residence. I would like to point out that concealed carry is more important than unconcealed carry. Doubt in the mind of a would-be criminal is a good deterrent, since criminals prefer &amp;quot;soft targets&amp;quot;.  In particular, I believe that if at least 20% of women carried concealed handguns, the crime of rape would go away. Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest of the document is just wishful thinking. --[[User:HowardLeeHarkness|HowardLeeHarkness]] Texas Certified Concealed Handgun License Instructor 08:56 04 January 2006&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Conservation */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
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Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They don't produce much power primarily because we have invested too little in them.  Green energy is abundantly available, and there are a lot of very smart people working out better ways for us to harness it.  We need to pay more attention to them.  You're right that no single source is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuels, but we don't have to rely on any single source.  There are several very promising options to choose from, and we need to invest in them more heavily.  Utah is commited to a nuclear-free policy, and, thus far, it appears to be working for us. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:18, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
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is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
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These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The UNH page is about biodiesel, but you go on to talk about hydrogen.  They are two very different things. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 11:20, 17 March 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
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= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
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''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Energy</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Conservation */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
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Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They don't produce much power primarily because we have invested too little in them.  Green energy is abundantly available, and there are a lot of very smart people working out better ways for us to harness it.  We need to pay more attention to them.  You're right that no single source is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuels, but we don't have to rely on any single source.  There are several very promising options to choose from, and we need to invest in them more heavily.  Utah is commited to a nuclear-free policy, and, thus far, it appears to be working for us. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:18, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
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is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
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These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 17:55, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Conservation =&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The UNH page is about biodiesel, but you go on to talk about hydrogen.  They are two very different things.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
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= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>Talk:Prison Reform</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Comment by Chris: I listened to a Radio West show last week regarding prison reform and think it is an issue that needs addressing.  The show is available at http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&amp;amp;ARTICLE_ID=840664&lt;br /&gt;
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== Drug Policy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The bulk of our prison woes revolves around poor drug policy.  70% of the prison population are serving sentences for non-violent drug offenses, and the US jails more of its population per capita than any other country in the world.  The drug war doesn't work.  It never has, and it never will.  It's time to shift our focus from prohibition and incarceration to education, prevention, and harm reduction -- policies that do work.  An interview with SLC Mayor, Rocky Anderson, was recently featured on the [http://www.drugpolicy.org/ DPA Website].  It gave me hope that people will one day see through the lies and dogma, and adopt policy based on proven results:  [http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/dpaConf2005_InterviewLucianoAndRocky_111205.mp3 Audio Interview with Rocky Anderson on drug policy reform].&lt;br /&gt;
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Fixing our flawed national drug policy will solve a whole lot of our prison problems.  It should absolutely be priority number one.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:58, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prison and Education ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As one who has had some experience in prison, I think I can speak as something of an expert.  The idea of putting inmates to work 8 hours a day may sound good, but it misses the mark.  The REAL key to rehabilitating many prison inmates is EDUCATING them.  Something like 80% of all inmates are functionally illiterate.  Unfortunately, something like 80% of prison efforts go toward security (a vital thing, to be sure), while very little effective effort is spent trying to help inmates head toward a level of education that will allow them to be independently productive on the outside.&lt;br /&gt;
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I taught reading, writing, English skills, and literacy to inmates.  The programs at Central Utah Correctional Facility in Gunnison could literally take a man from basically Kindergarten through a master's degree.  One could actually SEE a growing difference in men who took advantage of the educational programs there -- and who stuck with it.  It was obvious -- and department of corrections statistics around the world testify -- that men who improve their educational level are infinitely less liable to commit new crimes upon release.  Unfortunately, I understand that the programs once available at Gunnison have died out because of lack of funding.  I hope that's not true, but fear it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not all prisoners will be willing to take advantage of such programs -- and unless they are willing, no program in the world will succeed.  But for those who are, it will open a whole new world to them.  Work programs also require incredible amounts of efforts aimed at maintaining security and safety not only of guards and prison personnel, but of the inmates themselves.  Perhaps a modification of your idea would be better:  One that would provide first the opportunity to learn and Two one that would provide work that could develop skills that build upon education.&lt;br /&gt;
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In my experience, I discovered that there are basically three kinds of inmates: 1 - Those who will not change no matter what.  To them, life is a game they are playing, and prison is simply a penalty box like the ones in hockey.  2 - Those who are struggling between old habits and the idea of trying to break away from them.  Many of these would have a hard time breaking away because of the lack of education.  3 - Those who are committed to making changes.  But here, too, many are hamstrung by lack of education and knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;
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ldalton&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not Final ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This issue is too important to finalize in its current state.  Two paragraphs about making prisoners work shows a remarkable level of ignorance on this topic.  I fully support both work and education programs for prisons, but that is not enough.&lt;br /&gt;
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Prison populations per capita are out of control.  We need to reduce the levels of mandatory minimums, non-violent drug offenses, mentally ill prisoners better served elsewhere, and lengthy prison stays for prisoners who are not citizens of the United States (many of whom are not afforded due process, quick trials, lawyers, or any of the other things citizens take for granted).&lt;br /&gt;
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Putting prisoners to work sounds like a great idea, but prisons should not be for-profit institutions.  Prisoners should pay their way, but prison administrators should not command large salaries, and if prisons manage to become a productive industry (as they probably should), the bulk of that money should be reinvested in education programs, help for the mentally ill, and other humanitarian work.  The potential for prison corruption should not be taken lightly.&lt;br /&gt;
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I sincerely hope that this issue is revisited, and fleshed out more, before it becomes official.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Nuclear Energy */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They don't produce much power primarily because we have invested too little in them.  Green energy is abundantly available, and there are a lot of very smart people working out better ways for us to harness it.  We need to pay more attention to them.  You're right that no single source is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuels, but we don't have to rely on any single source.  There are several very promising options to choose from, and we need to invest in them more heavily.  Utah is commited to a nuclear-free policy, and, thus far, it appears to be working for us. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:18, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
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Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 17:55, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Conservation =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Energy</id>
		<title>Talk:Energy</title>
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				<updated>2006-01-07T12:13:40Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Nuclear Energy */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nuclear Energy ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs: --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The problem with wind, and many other &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; sources, is that they don't produce enough power.  A complete solution to our energy problems will require multiple sources.  You are certainly correct that nuclear power is very political, but that's exactly why we need to start seriously discussing it now, because we will need it as part of a total enery solution package, and it is going to take a long time to obtain any sort of consensus.--[[User:Swillden|Swillden]] 08:31, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is something that has been demonised by association with the atomic bombs of WWII and Chernobyl. To me, having summed up the record of nuclear power production in the West, it appears safe, clean and economically far more viable than renewable energy at present. --[[User:Beachy|Beachy]] 08:43, 4 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This seems to be the popular consensus, in some circles, but I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me.  Most of the people making these arguments seem to be unaware of recent advancements in renewable energy. Please cite recent studies that make mention of some of the recent applications of renewable energy, for comparison.  Utah has a pretty good wind program going that is doing fairly well, producing clean energy for less than other states spend on nuclear.  Right now, we're still producing less expensive energy using other means (coal and hydroelectric), but progress is being made, and there are plans to expand the wind program more.  Many Utah residents voluntarily pay a little bit more for energy produced from wind power.  Similar initiatives might help renewable energy catch on in other states.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:13, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==BioDiesel==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Another technology that looks interesting is waste-to-oil.  There is a bit of information at [http://tinyurl.com/dzmej http://tinyurl.com/dzmej] and [http://www.res-energy.com/ http://www.res-energy.com/], and apparently there's a running plant in Missouri.  The information is pretty sparse at the moment, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:22 September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That UNH algae study is stunning.  Especially the cost of doing it domestically vs. the cost of importing oil (not to mention the foreign policy issues).--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 15:47, September 21, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Please, if you do anything in running for office at least GET THIS PAPER PUBLICIZED - it's been making the circuits in geek circles since it was publishd, but noone on high seems to have noticed it, and continue to dismiss agricultural biodiesel.  As of now, biodiesel has been approached either as a limited-scale geek conservation plaything(waste vegetable oil), or as impossibly low yield pork (soybeans).  It isn't as easy as the cost estimates in the paper say it is (they use the Salton Sea, a doomed temporary body of water in SoCal), but it's entirely doable, on less than the budget we spend to blow up brown people on the other side of the world for economic or personal political reasons.  The energy shortage associated with peak oil is going to hit sometime in the next 30-40 years (some are saying right now), and it's going to hit HARD - the prices you see now are just competition because we can't drill/refine it as fast as we can burn it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Another study at Argonne National Labs [http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf (PDF)] finds that ethanol production is energy positive, on the order of 35% (not counting, of course, the free solar energy absorbed by the plants).  USDA numbers from 2004 (mentioned in [http://tinyurl.com/dkbby this article]) suggest up to 67%. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 15:07 September 22, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Fusion ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== ITER in France ====&lt;br /&gt;
Your position on fusion is a smart one.  Lots of smart people think ITER is going to work.  We could have had it in the U.S. if we'd been willing to invest in it.  Of course, Bush wasn't even trying to bring it here, he wanted to send it to Japan, a country with a long history of &amp;quot;ripping off&amp;quot; the more pure research done in the U.S.  [[User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] 18:48, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Oil Shale ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Great editorial in the Denver Post on the viability of oil shale.[http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_3313756]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Pete, I take it that you think that oil shale is not a viable option.  Personally, I don't know enough about the subject to make a comment.  However, the editorial made me hungry when Randy Udall and Steve Andrews mentioned Captain Crunch cereal (yummy).  Back to the point, not only doesn't the oil shale option seem viable, do we really want the environmental interference of extracting the oil from shale here in Utah?  We already have nuclear waste that we don't use.--[[User:Anhhung18901|Anhhung18901]] 22:11, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Renewable ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
is the Enviromission concept of Solar Towers.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tower]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These could be built anywhere with open area, and can be used as greenhouses as well as power generators.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 17:55, 19 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Conservation =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies. --[[User:garyt|garyt]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The UNH page about biodiesel gives a few of the downsides.  At this point hydrogen cars are comparable in inferior in performance, mileage/bulk, etc to electric cars.  The heavy, somewhat dangerous wet cell is replaced by heavy and bulky somewhat dangerous pressure tanks.  While things like carbon fiber can help somewhat with the weight, hydrogen itself just isn't terribly energy-dense - and compression always wastes tons of energy as heat.  The catalysts are impossibly expensive, hydrogen leaks out of just about EVERYTHING - including welded steel, distribution isn't in place, performance characteristics are... lacking.  And most important of all, the actual thing we're lacking, ENERGY, is not in place.  That's the shortage - not fuel oil.&lt;br /&gt;
:Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= General Policy Questions =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Moved from [[Talk:Economy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some baseline questions:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are you familiar with columnist Thomas Friedman's views on [http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/07/friedman/index_np.html making America energy-independent]?  Which parts of his proposal do you like and which do you dislike?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Given the choice between running the economy on oil and running it on nuclear power, which would you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Would you support legislation that would increase the cost of gasoline by $.50/gallon, with that money going toward financing alternative energy research?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A big honkin' ($12.3 billion) energy bill just made it through Congress.  What do you see as its' most noticeable features, and do you think it was good legislation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Should we raise fuel economy standards?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there ways to harness the powers of the Almighty Internet to help save energy?  If so, does the government have a role in promoting such technology?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Why does every discussion about energy policy assume that an automobile culture is an inevitable and necessary part of human existance?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Copyright</id>
		<title>Talk:Copyright</title>
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				<updated>2006-01-07T11:53:33Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I think it's questionable to suggest that copyright is meant to &amp;quot;protect the artists&amp;quot;.  I was under the impression that it was meant to encourage the expansion of the public domain.  The only reason for offering artists any protection is to encourage them to continue to produce works to fuel the public domain.&lt;br /&gt;
:While that was the view of the founding fathers, it is no longer the popular view, unfortunately.  These days, only geeks and librarians even know that the public domain exists, let alone that it's valuable, and worthy of our protection.  FYI, I am a musician, and I support filesharing.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 04:53, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
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		<title>User talk:Pashdown</title>
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				<updated>2006-01-07T11:33:33Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Hi Pete,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We missed you at the December Utah Geek Dinner.  Check out my [http://www.phil801.com/devutah/index.php?title=User:Dilvie user page] on Dev Utah.  Your political ideas are remarkably in-line with [http://www.dilvie.com/reality/ my thinking].  I'd love to chat with you in person.  I hope we get to meet at the January Geek Dinner. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:42, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Sorry I missed out.  I signed up, but then holiday family duties took over.  I'll shoot for seeing you in January--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:18, 26 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== CAPTCHA for MediaWiki 1.5 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pete,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I wouldn't mind in the slightest.  It's still very much a work in progress,&lt;br /&gt;
however, but it is my fullest intention to release the code once we having it&lt;br /&gt;
working a bit better.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of our coders is on holiday for another few days.  I want to consult him&lt;br /&gt;
first on the risk involved and the method we should go about the &lt;br /&gt;
release of the&lt;br /&gt;
code.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you don't mind, send me another email in a week's time and I should be able&lt;br /&gt;
to direct you to where we have placed instructions.  If we don't end up&lt;br /&gt;
releasing everything publicly, I should still be able to send you the&lt;br /&gt;
information privately.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Best regards,  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:23, 2 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Good luck! ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Pete,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just want to say hello and wish you the very best. Hope to meet you in a chat some time. See you 'round the wiki!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gavinbaker|Gavinbaker]] 01:11, 6 January 2006 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Relevant Humor ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16 From Penny Arcade] -- I'm watching, but not daily!  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 04:33, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Patriot_Act</id>
		<title>Talk:Patriot Act</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Patriot_Act"/>
				<updated>2006-01-07T11:21:07Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Changes? */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Changes? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps opaque / transparent analogy could be clarified -- &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pete, what kind of specific changes would you want to make to the Patriot Act that would keep the communication lines open but protect our privacy? [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 14:23, 13 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is entirely B.S. the only point of the Patriot Act is to gut the fourth amendment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is his way of saying that he will vote for the patriot act, but it will have one or two of the more in your face provisions removed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pete loves all but the bad press.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Finalization? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This issue needs to be fleshed out a bit more.  Perhaps it would help to cite some specific bits of the Patriot Act that are being misused, and clarify how you would fix the problems it has raised.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 04:21, 7 January 2006 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Patriot_Act</id>
		<title>Patriot Act</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Patriot_Act"/>
				<updated>2006-01-07T11:18:29Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: Minor re-wording.  No meaning changed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The provisions of the Patriot Act which increased communication and efficiency between law enforcement agencies are fine and I have no argument with them.  What I take issue with is the stripping of privacy between the citizen and the state.  Much of what the Patriot Act does is side-step the Fourth Amendment.  I believe the citizen should be opaque and the state should be transparent, not the other way around.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Patriot Act was passed immediately after the attacks of 9/11 with the assumption that the attacks were the result of a lack of police power.  This act increased police authority, including secret searches of library and video rental records.  The 9/11 commission determined that information that might have prevented the attacks was available within the FBI and other agencies and was mishandled and/or ignored.  The USA Patriot Act was an attempt to solve the wrong problem.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Finalize}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Capital_Punishment</id>
		<title>Talk:Capital Punishment</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Capital_Punishment"/>
				<updated>2005-12-28T10:59:13Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* NC may have been 1000th but Utah was first. */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is not a popular position in this state.--[[User:Jdjonsson|Jdjonsson]] 20:14, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== NC may have been 1000th but Utah was first. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I agree that this is not a popular position in Utah, but we should ask ourselves what the death penalty is giving us. I submit that it is a natural tendency to want to extract vengence, but our system is not fool proof. If the standard for guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt, then put someone away. The problem is when reasonable doubt leads to a future test showing that person was innocent. Of all the people on death row, how many are innocent of the crime? WHo gets to make that call with absolute certainty. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I submit that it is far cheaper to keep people locked up than put them to death. In my mind, we have other issues such as the revolving door that is parole. My theory is that the term of your sentence assumes good behavior. If you screw up inside, then time starts getting added to your sentence. There should be no such thing as early release (nor mandatory minimum sentences). I suspect if people realized they would have to serve no less than their sentence, that would serve as more of a deterrent for crime. Then again, for the number of prisions we would have to build, I hope no one minds paying more taxes for it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If we work on drug policy reform, we can reduce the harm that drug abuse causes, and reduce prison use at the same time, so swelling prisons doesn't have to be a deterrant to death penalty reform.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 03:59, 28 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Abortion</id>
		<title>Talk:Abortion</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Abortion"/>
				<updated>2005-12-28T10:49:06Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Abortion in Utah */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The foster care system in this country is completely out of whack.  Children go from orphanages, or abusive families into awful foster care situations.  Ending abortion isn't a matter of making it illegal, it is a matter of creating a world where no little girl ever need feel lost.  It's easy for us to blame the people involved in the abortion but the responsibility is on the shoulders of us all.  Generally the people most vocal about abortion issues are Christians, but if Christians were living up to the message they are preaching, they would be doing everything they could to make this world a better place.  It's not for the government to solve all of our problems or answer every moral question, it is for us as members of a responsible society to create safety nets outside of the government that help all the lost little girls in the world, preferrably before they end up in the arms of someone who won't take care of their baby with them.  We don't need to return to a world of coat hangers and back alley abortions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Abortion in Utah ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I wrote this position statement during my last house campaign.  It is a pragmatic perspective, which discusses measures to reduce abortion that have a real chance of working, without getting into morality or prohibition:&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
Abortion and unplanned pregnancy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Teen pregnancy in Utah is a relatively small problem when you compare our numbers to other states, and, according to Family Planning Perspectives, Volume 29, No. 3, May/June 1997, Utah has the lowest abortion rate in the US (at least, we did in 1992). Despite these facts, abortion is an especially heated topic in Utah, and nobody is immune to the social problems caused by unplanned pregnancies, especially amongst teenagers.&lt;br /&gt;
Some facts about abortion in Utah&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Teenagers are more than twice as likely to abort a pregnancy than women between the ages of 20 and 44.&lt;br /&gt;
* Data indicates that &amp;quot;one of the strongest predictors for early sexual initiation is school failure,&amp;quot; according to the Report on Adolescent Pregnancy in Utah, students failing in junior high or middle school are at risk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Teen pregnancy rates are also higher in lower income and minority groups.&lt;br /&gt;
* Under current state law, unmarried teens (under 18 years of age) must have permission in writing before receiving information about, or services from, a state-funded family planning agency. A change in this law might yield a drop in teen pregnancy rates (along with abortions) in Utah.&lt;br /&gt;
* Despite the law, Utah teens are more likely to use family planning services than in the past. The rate of teen pregnancy has declined 35% between 1980 and 1997.&lt;br /&gt;
* Nationwide, 71% of unintended pregnancies in 1987 occurred among teens who were not using contraceptives.&lt;br /&gt;
* Contrary to popular belief, abortion was a significant problem prior to Roe vs. Wade. Abortion did not spring suddenly out of thin air when state laws banning abortion were over-turned. In fact, abortion related maternity deaths declined after the ruling.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pregnant teens are more likely to:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Have maternity expenses paid for by your tax dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
* Drop out of school.&lt;br /&gt;
* Earn lower incomes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rely on social services later in life.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While I am morally opposed to abortion, it is my policy to take a long hard look at what works and what doesn't in order to solve social problems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It seems clear to me that teens are going to continue to have sex outside of marriage, regardless of the laws.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I believe that the heart of the matter is that if there were fewer unplanned pregnancies, there would be fewer abortions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
According to the reports, abortion rates are highly correlated to income levels, performance in school, the availability of family planning services, and a variety of other factors that we can address. A plan to reduce abortion rates should not concentrate exclusively on banning abortion. A comprehensive, bipartisan plan to fight unplanned pregnancy can work, and should be pursued.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/2911597.html Teenage Abortion and Pregnancy Statistics by State], 1992, Family Planning Perspectives, Volume 29, No. 3, May/June 1997&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://health.utah.gov/rhp/pdf/1997report.pdf Report on Adolescent Pregnancy in Utah], Utah Department of Health&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595068263,00.html Overhaul new abortion law] - Deseret News, illustrating some of the problems associated with legislation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 03:49, 28 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Abortion</id>
		<title>Talk:Abortion</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Abortion"/>
				<updated>2005-12-28T10:48:44Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The foster care system in this country is completely out of whack.  Children go from orphanages, or abusive families into awful foster care situations.  Ending abortion isn't a matter of making it illegal, it is a matter of creating a world where no little girl ever need feel lost.  It's easy for us to blame the people involved in the abortion but the responsibility is on the shoulders of us all.  Generally the people most vocal about abortion issues are Christians, but if Christians were living up to the message they are preaching, they would be doing everything they could to make this world a better place.  It's not for the government to solve all of our problems or answer every moral question, it is for us as members of a responsible society to create safety nets outside of the government that help all the lost little girls in the world, preferrably before they end up in the arms of someone who won't take care of their baby with them.  We don't need to return to a world of coat hangers and back alley abortions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Abortion in Utah ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I wrote this position statement during my last house campaign.  It is a pragmatic perspective, which discusses measures to reduce abortion that have a real chance of working, without getting into morality or prohibition:&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
Abortion and unplanned pregnancy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Teen pregnancy in Utah is a relatively small problem when you compare our numbers to other states, and, according to Family Planning Perspectives, Volume 29, No. 3, May/June 1997, Utah has the lowest abortion rate in the US (at least, we did in 1992). Despite these facts, abortion is an especially heated topic in Utah, and nobody is immune to the social problems caused by unplanned pregnancies, especially amongst teenagers.&lt;br /&gt;
Some facts about abortion in Utah&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Teenagers are more than twice as likely to abort a pregnancy than women between the ages of 20 and 44.&lt;br /&gt;
* Data indicates that &amp;quot;one of the strongest predictors for early sexual initiation is school failure,&amp;quot; according to the Report on Adolescent Pregnancy in Utah, students failing in junior high or middle school are at risk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Teen pregnancy rates are also higher in lower income and minority groups.&lt;br /&gt;
* Under current state law, unmarried teens (under 18 years of age) must have permission in writing before receiving information about, or services from, a state-funded family planning agency. A change in this law might yield a drop in teen pregnancy rates (along with abortions) in Utah.&lt;br /&gt;
* Despite the law, Utah teens are more likely to use family planning services than in the past. The rate of teen pregnancy has declined 35% between 1980 and 1997.&lt;br /&gt;
* Nationwide, 71% of unintended pregnancies in 1987 occurred among teens who were not using contraceptives.&lt;br /&gt;
* Contrary to popular belief, abortion was a significant problem prior to Roe vs. Wade. Abortion did not spring suddenly out of thin air when state laws banning abortion were over-turned. In fact, abortion related maternity deaths declined after the ruling.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pregnant teens are more likely to:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Have maternity expenses paid for by your tax dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
* Drop out of school.&lt;br /&gt;
* Earn lower incomes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rely on social services later in life.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While I am morally opposed to abortion, it is my policy to take a long hard look at what works and what doesn't in order to solve social problems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It seems clear to me that teens are going to continue to have sex outside of marriage, regardless of the laws.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I believe that the heart of the matter is that if there were fewer unplanned pregnancies, there would be fewer abortions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
According to the reports, abortion rates are highly correlated to income levels, performance in school, the availability of family planning services, and a variety of other factors that we can address. A plan to reduce abortion rates should not concentrate exclusively on banning abortion. A comprehensive, bipartisan plan to fight unplanned pregnancy can work, and should be pursued.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/2911597.html Teenage Abortion and Pregnancy Statistics by State], 1992, Family Planning Perspectives, Volume 29, No. 3, May/June 1997&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://health.utah.gov/rhp/pdf/1997report.pdf Report on Adolescent Pregnancy in Utah], Utah Department of Health&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595068263,00.html Overhaul new abortion law] - Deseret News, illustrating some of the problems associated with legislation.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Main_Page</id>
		<title>Talk:Main Page</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Main_Page"/>
				<updated>2005-12-28T10:35:34Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: Removed spam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Some interesting information and a good link showed up at Phil Windley's site this morning:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.windley.com/archives/2005/11/rasiej_campaign.shtml&lt;br /&gt;
http://micah.sifry.com/archives/2005_11.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How does this relate to what you're doing here?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:12.160.33.128|12.160.33.128]] 15:35, 2 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the Rasiej campaign indicates a number of issues to be addressed in my campaign.  Number one is the fact that right now the Internet is a poor driver for political action in itself.  Unless you have the &amp;quot;hand-up&amp;quot; of organizations with large membership or some good national press attention, the Internet alone will not win elections.  In my opinion, it is a tool that can be utilized for better organizing and also for the collection of ideas, but not the end-all-be-all in political action.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:57, 7 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree absolutely, and I think that's true of any type of marketing campaign.  You don't want to be in just one place, you want to be everywhere you can be.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 17:33, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Great idea ==&lt;br /&gt;
Let me be one of the first to congratulate you on your innovative idea of using a wiki. You are ahead of our times - but that's what I'd expect from people running for such an important position. Good luck  with your campaign! --[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]] 19:48, 8 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Spam ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wow, we're getting a LOT of spam from various and random IP addresses.  It almost looks like someone has a bot going to put this stuff on the site, and it's hitting other mediawiki sites as well.  Let's hope it's a phase, but if you see any of this on our pages, please just delete it, or let us know. [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 09:31, 14 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Spammers use bots to attack wikis, blogs, and forums all the time.  It's difficult to create an interactive website without becoming a target of spam.  The best countermeasures are technological, but if I see any spam, I'll be sure to revert it.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 17:33, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:To_Do_List</id>
		<title>Talk:To Do List</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:To_Do_List"/>
				<updated>2005-12-24T00:38:29Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Compile precinct information for all Utah cities (including NCEC data ESPECIALLY)&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What is NCEC data?&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.ncec.org/&lt;br /&gt;
National Committee for an Effective Congress&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What sort of maps do you need? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have experience with mapping, GIS, and spatial data.  I haven't done much work with political data before, but I am interested in volunteering in any way I can.  If somebody could let me know some specific maps/data that you need, I'll see what I can get for you.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Giggity|Giggity]] 13:21, 10 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Political maps with precinct boundries and precinct affiliation.  We want to know where canvassing will make the most impact.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 14:03, 20 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Collect us a list of all Utah residential phone numbers minus &amp;quot;do not call&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The &amp;quot;Do not call&amp;quot; registry does not apply to political organizations.  &lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/dncalrt.htm#Exceptions FTC Do Not Call Registry Exceptions]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I know phone registries on CD can be purchased from Qwest, for $100-$150 per area.  [http://directorysource.dexonline.com/SplashPagePrices.PDF QWest Price List (search for Utah)] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know where we could get a less expensive list?  (Besides a stack of phone books!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Jenica|Jenica]] 08:11, 20 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:After I posted this request, I debated whether a list like this should be used or not.  I rank all unsolicited phone calls in the same group as spam and junk mail.  Using a recorded call has been advocated to me, but is absolutely out of the question.  So short of calling everyone in Utah, what are other ways we can get the word out?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 14:01, 20 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe google ads?  Door to door flyers?  Maybe door hangars that give them some openers and direct people to the website.  --[[User:Jenica|Jenica]] 20:03, 20 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Setting up a grassroots phone tree might be a good option.  Examples: party leaders to the precinct level for regional contact plans, and organization leaders to specific grassroots activists on the issue based campaign outreach plan. [[User:161.181.53.10|161.181.53.10]] 11:18, 14 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Property Owners ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm down; where's the signup list? [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 17:38, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Main_Page</id>
		<title>Talk:Main Page</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Main_Page"/>
				<updated>2005-12-24T00:33:04Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Some interesting information and a good link showed up at Phil Windley's site this morning:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.windley.com/archives/2005/11/rasiej_campaign.shtml&lt;br /&gt;
http://micah.sifry.com/archives/2005_11.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How does this relate to what you're doing here?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:12.160.33.128|12.160.33.128]] 15:35, 2 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the Rasiej campaign indicates a number of issues to be addressed in my campaign.  Number one is the fact that right now the Internet is a poor driver for political action in itself.  Unless you have the &amp;quot;hand-up&amp;quot; of organizations with large membership or some good national press attention, the Internet alone will not win elections.  In my opinion, it is a tool that can be utilized for better organizing and also for the collection of ideas, but not the end-all-be-all in political action.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:57, 7 November 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree absolutely, and I think that's true of any type of marketing campaign.  You don't want to be in just one place, you want to be everywhere you can be.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 17:33, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Spammers ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks to all who helped revert the wikispam.  I've added a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension SpamBlacklist extension] which I hope will help alleviate the problem.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More spam this morning.  I've made additional modifications to the blacklist and the Wikimedia software itself.  If anyone sees a problem, please [mailto:pashdown@xmission.com email me].--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:03, 14 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== suggested issues ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Veterans]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Seniors]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Gay &amp;amp; Lesbian&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Emergency Contraception]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Government Corruption]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Land managment]] (related to Water, but includes grazing rights &amp;amp; other rural issues)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Policy Issues and Themes ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, I will add it here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Laundry lists of progressive issues are common to campaigns. And they are needed. But while canvassing, I have found that they leave little with the voter that is memorable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So, I would suggest developing a few memorable themes. Such as:&lt;br /&gt;
    &lt;br /&gt;
Strong Families   &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Abortion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Seniors]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Veterans]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Health Care]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sexual Orientation]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Strong Communities   &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Water Issues]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Education]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Prison Reform]], [[Capital Punishment]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Strong Nation   &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Economy]], [[Energy]], [[Taxation]], [[Transportation]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Technology]], [[Stem Cell Research]], [[Patriot Act]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Campaign Finance]], [[Ethics and Corruption]], [[Lobbyists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[National Security]], [[Iraq]], [[Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Immigration]], [[Trade]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then tie your laundry list of positions on individual issues to these three themes. Beat the opposition about the head and shoulders with these three themes. Show how their policies hurt these three themes. Show how your policies advance these three themes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dave Fischer&lt;br /&gt;
(drdave@dataimages.com)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I tried to arange things into your categories, with some sub-theming by line.. might have missed some.. and some should be moved out of nation.  It would also be a nice idea to have pages clearly delineating where you differ from the classical democratic stance, as this can be used to help define the message you give to conservatives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Information technology ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not seeing a special section on this, which is odd.  Am I missing something?.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The RIAA's  [http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051130-5650.html lawsuits] are quite despicable and threaten many families all over the nation.  As such lawsuits vaguely resemble a SLAPP, one can possibly talk about them in parallel with talking about other SLAPPS that Utahns might have to fear.  But I don't know enought about the legal tensions around water &amp;amp; land use in Utah to make any specific suggestions.  [[User:80.5.160.19|80.5.160.19]] 20:31, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Great idea ==&lt;br /&gt;
Let me be one of the first to congratulate you on your innovative idea of using a wiki. You are ahead of our times - but that's what I'd expect from people running for such an important position. Good luck  with your campaign! --[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]] 19:48, 8 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Spam ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wow, we're getting a LOT of spam from various and random IP addresses.  It almost looks like someone has a bot going to put this stuff on the site, and it's hitting other mediawiki sites as well.  Let's hope it's a phase, but if you see any of this on our pages, please just delete it, or let us know. [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 09:31, 14 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Spammers use bots to attack wikis, blogs, and forums all the time.  It's difficult to create an interactive website without becoming a target of spam.  The best countermeasures are technological, but if I see any spam, I'll be sure to revert it.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 17:33, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Brett</id>
		<title>User talk:Brett</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Brett"/>
				<updated>2005-12-23T13:09:12Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hi Brett,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What are the responsibilities of the field directors?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 06:09, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising</id>
		<title>Advertising</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising"/>
				<updated>2005-12-23T13:05:41Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* TV &amp;amp; Radio */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== The Netroots ==&lt;br /&gt;
Your innovative, open-source campaign is your ticket to greater recognition.  You've gotten a few mentions on mydd and Politics1, but if other blogs start to pick up on it, followed by the MSM, you would have a great vehicle in which to get your message and ideas known.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Visit this site in New Jersey who are helping out all sorts of candidates this year, inlcuding Pete:  [http://www.futuredemocrats.8k.com/ Future Democrats Website]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend that you have a list of [[Utah Blogs]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Guerilla Advertising ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Download and Print Signs]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Design Logo Art]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Remember to check out this website:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Commercial Suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Buy an ad on [http://www.politics1.com www.politics1.com], and get Bill Hillsman to do the campaign tv ads, he has worked for Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. He will also be working for Kinky Friedman this year. An advertising genius like him could really be of help.&lt;br /&gt;
*Try to have the online community develop a television ad for you.  It might attract more online support that way too.  Maybe an anti-RIAA ad?&lt;br /&gt;
*Maybe some flash artists would want to do a cartoon style ad/game for you?&lt;br /&gt;
* This may be a little over the top, but as a Mormon Democrat I have always wanted to see pictures of Orrin Hatch shaking the hands of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson with them discussing how Mormons are a cult in the background.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Advice ==&lt;br /&gt;
*DON'T SLING MUD ON YOUR OPPONENT. EVEN IF HE COVERS YOU IN IT, REMEMBER IT WILL WASH OFF AND YOU'LL STILL BE STANDING.&lt;br /&gt;
*My background is business and I have consulting experience. My advice to executives when designing new products/services, is to spend some time and money on qualitative and/or quantitative research to clearly identify what your customers want. This can be translated to the political environment by finding out what the public wants and what is on their minds. This would enable you to target your message and advertising. I have experienced managers deciding what products/services/features to offer their customers and completetly miss the target because they think they know what people want. In your case, it might be helpful to focus on what Indpendent and/or Republicans are looking for.&lt;br /&gt;
*You can sling mud at the RIAA &amp;amp; MPAA over their lawsuits.  You can paint them as evil without attacking Hatch, even though he is their paid stooge.  It'll show voters that you have specific things you want to fix &amp;amp; know where your going.  It'll also help you get more online support.  BTW, it might not hurt to talk about the price of CDs &amp;amp; the low pay of musicians too, if your talking to a young audience.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
Provide html on your website so folks can copy-paste it and display it on their websites.&lt;br /&gt;
:Amen!  Your going to have a lot of online support anyway, but the easier you make it for them, the more supports you'll get.&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://vote.peteashdown.org/buttons Your wish is my command.]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Celebrities ==&lt;br /&gt;
: Concerts comming to Utah might be a good way to reach younger voters, ideally with the musician himself promoting you.  &lt;br /&gt;
: I'm not sure how influential Howard Stern ever was in Utah, and I'm not sure how much his influence has declined, but his show re-materializes January 9, 2006, and he might support you over censorship issues.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Websites ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Make friends with the slashdot.org editors.  Get them to interview you.  Slashdot controls the eyes &amp;amp; ears of an enormous number of people who care about technology.&lt;br /&gt;
:*Tried with Rob Malda and Roblimo.  No response from the latter, and the former told me that my campaign was nothing new and therefore not newsworthy.  Help me by continuing to submit stories about this campaign.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*groklaw.net will probably be happy to support you, which might create more blogbuz.&lt;br /&gt;
*edge.org, newscientist.com, Scientific American (sciam.com), etc. might mention you too.  Articles talking about the harm copyright &amp;amp; patents are doing to American science are quite popular right now, so even if they won't run an article about you, they might talk about you in another article.&lt;br /&gt;
*fark.com, somethingawful.com, and memepool.com also reach a lot of people.&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.technorati.com/pop/blogs/ is a list of some more influential blogs&lt;br /&gt;
*You &amp;amp; Xmission are already known for having geek events, like gaming parties right?  Any chance the gaming sites will talk about you?&lt;br /&gt;
* Your biggest strength with regards to knowledge and experiance is intellectual property.  Perhaps Lawrence Lessig, a giant in intellectual property matters will allow you to guest blog on his weblog-much like Howard Dean did in the beginning of his campaign.  Lessig's blog would allow you to refine your message (the commenters there are very well educated), and perhaps net you some big donors. [[www.lessig.org/blog]]-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== TV &amp;amp; Radio ==&lt;br /&gt;
:See if you can get the Daily Show to interview you.&lt;br /&gt;
::I think they'll only be interested after I win.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
* The obvious choice is Air America Radio.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* You are using wiki and blogs, why not podcasts?  Allow the media to hear your voice in set sound bytes on demand.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* I second the podcast suggestion, and it happens to be my area of expertise. I'd be happy to help you get started with that.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 06:03, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Campaign]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Media]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising</id>
		<title>Advertising</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising"/>
				<updated>2005-12-23T13:04:50Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* TV &amp;amp; Radio */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== The Netroots ==&lt;br /&gt;
Your innovative, open-source campaign is your ticket to greater recognition.  You've gotten a few mentions on mydd and Politics1, but if other blogs start to pick up on it, followed by the MSM, you would have a great vehicle in which to get your message and ideas known.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Visit this site in New Jersey who are helping out all sorts of candidates this year, inlcuding Pete:  [http://www.futuredemocrats.8k.com/ Future Democrats Website]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend that you have a list of [[Utah Blogs]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Guerilla Advertising ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Download and Print Signs]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Design Logo Art]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Remember to check out this website:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Commercial Suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Buy an ad on [http://www.politics1.com www.politics1.com], and get Bill Hillsman to do the campaign tv ads, he has worked for Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. He will also be working for Kinky Friedman this year. An advertising genius like him could really be of help.&lt;br /&gt;
*Try to have the online community develop a television ad for you.  It might attract more online support that way too.  Maybe an anti-RIAA ad?&lt;br /&gt;
*Maybe some flash artists would want to do a cartoon style ad/game for you?&lt;br /&gt;
* This may be a little over the top, but as a Mormon Democrat I have always wanted to see pictures of Orrin Hatch shaking the hands of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson with them discussing how Mormons are a cult in the background.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Advice ==&lt;br /&gt;
*DON'T SLING MUD ON YOUR OPPONENT. EVEN IF HE COVERS YOU IN IT, REMEMBER IT WILL WASH OFF AND YOU'LL STILL BE STANDING.&lt;br /&gt;
*My background is business and I have consulting experience. My advice to executives when designing new products/services, is to spend some time and money on qualitative and/or quantitative research to clearly identify what your customers want. This can be translated to the political environment by finding out what the public wants and what is on their minds. This would enable you to target your message and advertising. I have experienced managers deciding what products/services/features to offer their customers and completetly miss the target because they think they know what people want. In your case, it might be helpful to focus on what Indpendent and/or Republicans are looking for.&lt;br /&gt;
*You can sling mud at the RIAA &amp;amp; MPAA over their lawsuits.  You can paint them as evil without attacking Hatch, even though he is their paid stooge.  It'll show voters that you have specific things you want to fix &amp;amp; know where your going.  It'll also help you get more online support.  BTW, it might not hurt to talk about the price of CDs &amp;amp; the low pay of musicians too, if your talking to a young audience.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
Provide html on your website so folks can copy-paste it and display it on their websites.&lt;br /&gt;
:Amen!  Your going to have a lot of online support anyway, but the easier you make it for them, the more supports you'll get.&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://vote.peteashdown.org/buttons Your wish is my command.]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Celebrities ==&lt;br /&gt;
: Concerts comming to Utah might be a good way to reach younger voters, ideally with the musician himself promoting you.  &lt;br /&gt;
: I'm not sure how influential Howard Stern ever was in Utah, and I'm not sure how much his influence has declined, but his show re-materializes January 9, 2006, and he might support you over censorship issues.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Websites ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Make friends with the slashdot.org editors.  Get them to interview you.  Slashdot controls the eyes &amp;amp; ears of an enormous number of people who care about technology.&lt;br /&gt;
:*Tried with Rob Malda and Roblimo.  No response from the latter, and the former told me that my campaign was nothing new and therefore not newsworthy.  Help me by continuing to submit stories about this campaign.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*groklaw.net will probably be happy to support you, which might create more blogbuz.&lt;br /&gt;
*edge.org, newscientist.com, Scientific American (sciam.com), etc. might mention you too.  Articles talking about the harm copyright &amp;amp; patents are doing to American science are quite popular right now, so even if they won't run an article about you, they might talk about you in another article.&lt;br /&gt;
*fark.com, somethingawful.com, and memepool.com also reach a lot of people.&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.technorati.com/pop/blogs/ is a list of some more influential blogs&lt;br /&gt;
*You &amp;amp; Xmission are already known for having geek events, like gaming parties right?  Any chance the gaming sites will talk about you?&lt;br /&gt;
* Your biggest strength with regards to knowledge and experiance is intellectual property.  Perhaps Lawrence Lessig, a giant in intellectual property matters will allow you to guest blog on his weblog-much like Howard Dean did in the beginning of his campaign.  Lessig's blog would allow you to refine your message (the commenters there are very well educated), and perhaps net you some big donors. [[www.lessig.org/blog]]-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== TV &amp;amp; Radio ==&lt;br /&gt;
:See if you can get the Daily Show to interview you.&lt;br /&gt;
::I think they'll only be interested after I win.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
* The obvious choice is Air America Radio.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* You are using wiki and blogs, why not podcasts?  Allow the media to hear your voice in set sound bytes on demand.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* I second the podcast suggestion, and it happens to be my area of expertise.  I'd be happy to help you get started with that.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 06:03, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Campaign]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Media]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising</id>
		<title>Advertising</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising"/>
				<updated>2005-12-23T13:03:47Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* TV &amp;amp; Radio */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== The Netroots ==&lt;br /&gt;
Your innovative, open-source campaign is your ticket to greater recognition.  You've gotten a few mentions on mydd and Politics1, but if other blogs start to pick up on it, followed by the MSM, you would have a great vehicle in which to get your message and ideas known.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Visit this site in New Jersey who are helping out all sorts of candidates this year, inlcuding Pete:  [http://www.futuredemocrats.8k.com/ Future Democrats Website]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend that you have a list of [[Utah Blogs]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Guerilla Advertising ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Download and Print Signs]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Design Logo Art]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Remember to check out this website:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Commercial Suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Buy an ad on [http://www.politics1.com www.politics1.com], and get Bill Hillsman to do the campaign tv ads, he has worked for Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. He will also be working for Kinky Friedman this year. An advertising genius like him could really be of help.&lt;br /&gt;
*Try to have the online community develop a television ad for you.  It might attract more online support that way too.  Maybe an anti-RIAA ad?&lt;br /&gt;
*Maybe some flash artists would want to do a cartoon style ad/game for you?&lt;br /&gt;
* This may be a little over the top, but as a Mormon Democrat I have always wanted to see pictures of Orrin Hatch shaking the hands of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson with them discussing how Mormons are a cult in the background.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Advice ==&lt;br /&gt;
*DON'T SLING MUD ON YOUR OPPONENT. EVEN IF HE COVERS YOU IN IT, REMEMBER IT WILL WASH OFF AND YOU'LL STILL BE STANDING.&lt;br /&gt;
*My background is business and I have consulting experience. My advice to executives when designing new products/services, is to spend some time and money on qualitative and/or quantitative research to clearly identify what your customers want. This can be translated to the political environment by finding out what the public wants and what is on their minds. This would enable you to target your message and advertising. I have experienced managers deciding what products/services/features to offer their customers and completetly miss the target because they think they know what people want. In your case, it might be helpful to focus on what Indpendent and/or Republicans are looking for.&lt;br /&gt;
*You can sling mud at the RIAA &amp;amp; MPAA over their lawsuits.  You can paint them as evil without attacking Hatch, even though he is their paid stooge.  It'll show voters that you have specific things you want to fix &amp;amp; know where your going.  It'll also help you get more online support.  BTW, it might not hurt to talk about the price of CDs &amp;amp; the low pay of musicians too, if your talking to a young audience.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
Provide html on your website so folks can copy-paste it and display it on their websites.&lt;br /&gt;
:Amen!  Your going to have a lot of online support anyway, but the easier you make it for them, the more supports you'll get.&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://vote.peteashdown.org/buttons Your wish is my command.]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Celebrities ==&lt;br /&gt;
: Concerts comming to Utah might be a good way to reach younger voters, ideally with the musician himself promoting you.  &lt;br /&gt;
: I'm not sure how influential Howard Stern ever was in Utah, and I'm not sure how much his influence has declined, but his show re-materializes January 9, 2006, and he might support you over censorship issues.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Websites ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Make friends with the slashdot.org editors.  Get them to interview you.  Slashdot controls the eyes &amp;amp; ears of an enormous number of people who care about technology.&lt;br /&gt;
:*Tried with Rob Malda and Roblimo.  No response from the latter, and the former told me that my campaign was nothing new and therefore not newsworthy.  Help me by continuing to submit stories about this campaign.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*groklaw.net will probably be happy to support you, which might create more blogbuz.&lt;br /&gt;
*edge.org, newscientist.com, Scientific American (sciam.com), etc. might mention you too.  Articles talking about the harm copyright &amp;amp; patents are doing to American science are quite popular right now, so even if they won't run an article about you, they might talk about you in another article.&lt;br /&gt;
*fark.com, somethingawful.com, and memepool.com also reach a lot of people.&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.technorati.com/pop/blogs/ is a list of some more influential blogs&lt;br /&gt;
*You &amp;amp; Xmission are already known for having geek events, like gaming parties right?  Any chance the gaming sites will talk about you?&lt;br /&gt;
* Your biggest strength with regards to knowledge and experiance is intellectual property.  Perhaps Lawrence Lessig, a giant in intellectual property matters will allow you to guest blog on his weblog-much like Howard Dean did in the beginning of his campaign.  Lessig's blog would allow you to refine your message (the commenters there are very well educated), and perhaps net you some big donors. [[www.lessig.org/blog]]-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== TV &amp;amp; Radio ==&lt;br /&gt;
:See if you can get the Daily Show to interview you.&lt;br /&gt;
::I think they'll only be interested after I win.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
* The obvious choice is Air America Radio.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* You are using wiki and blogs, why not podcasts?  Allow the media to hear your voice in set sound bytes on demand.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* I second the podcast suggestion, and it happens to be my area of expertise.  I'd be happy to help you get started with that. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 06:03, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Campaign]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Media]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising</id>
		<title>Advertising</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Advertising"/>
				<updated>2005-12-23T13:03:26Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* TV &amp;amp; Radio */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== The Netroots ==&lt;br /&gt;
Your innovative, open-source campaign is your ticket to greater recognition.  You've gotten a few mentions on mydd and Politics1, but if other blogs start to pick up on it, followed by the MSM, you would have a great vehicle in which to get your message and ideas known.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Visit this site in New Jersey who are helping out all sorts of candidates this year, inlcuding Pete:  [http://www.futuredemocrats.8k.com/ Future Democrats Website]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend that you have a list of [[Utah Blogs]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Guerilla Advertising ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Download and Print Signs]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Design Logo Art]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Remember to check out this website:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Commercial Suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Buy an ad on [http://www.politics1.com www.politics1.com], and get Bill Hillsman to do the campaign tv ads, he has worked for Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. He will also be working for Kinky Friedman this year. An advertising genius like him could really be of help.&lt;br /&gt;
*Try to have the online community develop a television ad for you.  It might attract more online support that way too.  Maybe an anti-RIAA ad?&lt;br /&gt;
*Maybe some flash artists would want to do a cartoon style ad/game for you?&lt;br /&gt;
* This may be a little over the top, but as a Mormon Democrat I have always wanted to see pictures of Orrin Hatch shaking the hands of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson with them discussing how Mormons are a cult in the background.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Advice ==&lt;br /&gt;
*DON'T SLING MUD ON YOUR OPPONENT. EVEN IF HE COVERS YOU IN IT, REMEMBER IT WILL WASH OFF AND YOU'LL STILL BE STANDING.&lt;br /&gt;
*My background is business and I have consulting experience. My advice to executives when designing new products/services, is to spend some time and money on qualitative and/or quantitative research to clearly identify what your customers want. This can be translated to the political environment by finding out what the public wants and what is on their minds. This would enable you to target your message and advertising. I have experienced managers deciding what products/services/features to offer their customers and completetly miss the target because they think they know what people want. In your case, it might be helpful to focus on what Indpendent and/or Republicans are looking for.&lt;br /&gt;
*You can sling mud at the RIAA &amp;amp; MPAA over their lawsuits.  You can paint them as evil without attacking Hatch, even though he is their paid stooge.  It'll show voters that you have specific things you want to fix &amp;amp; know where your going.  It'll also help you get more online support.  BTW, it might not hurt to talk about the price of CDs &amp;amp; the low pay of musicians too, if your talking to a young audience.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
Provide html on your website so folks can copy-paste it and display it on their websites.&lt;br /&gt;
:Amen!  Your going to have a lot of online support anyway, but the easier you make it for them, the more supports you'll get.&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://vote.peteashdown.org/buttons Your wish is my command.]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Celebrities ==&lt;br /&gt;
: Concerts comming to Utah might be a good way to reach younger voters, ideally with the musician himself promoting you.  &lt;br /&gt;
: I'm not sure how influential Howard Stern ever was in Utah, and I'm not sure how much his influence has declined, but his show re-materializes January 9, 2006, and he might support you over censorship issues.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Websites ==&lt;br /&gt;
*Make friends with the slashdot.org editors.  Get them to interview you.  Slashdot controls the eyes &amp;amp; ears of an enormous number of people who care about technology.&lt;br /&gt;
:*Tried with Rob Malda and Roblimo.  No response from the latter, and the former told me that my campaign was nothing new and therefore not newsworthy.  Help me by continuing to submit stories about this campaign.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*groklaw.net will probably be happy to support you, which might create more blogbuz.&lt;br /&gt;
*edge.org, newscientist.com, Scientific American (sciam.com), etc. might mention you too.  Articles talking about the harm copyright &amp;amp; patents are doing to American science are quite popular right now, so even if they won't run an article about you, they might talk about you in another article.&lt;br /&gt;
*fark.com, somethingawful.com, and memepool.com also reach a lot of people.&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.technorati.com/pop/blogs/ is a list of some more influential blogs&lt;br /&gt;
*You &amp;amp; Xmission are already known for having geek events, like gaming parties right?  Any chance the gaming sites will talk about you?&lt;br /&gt;
* Your biggest strength with regards to knowledge and experiance is intellectual property.  Perhaps Lawrence Lessig, a giant in intellectual property matters will allow you to guest blog on his weblog-much like Howard Dean did in the beginning of his campaign.  Lessig's blog would allow you to refine your message (the commenters there are very well educated), and perhaps net you some big donors. [[www.lessig.org/blog]]-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
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== TV &amp;amp; Radio ==&lt;br /&gt;
:See if you can get the Daily Show to interview you.&lt;br /&gt;
::I think they'll only be interested after I win.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 09:28, 1 December 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
* The obvious choice is Air America Radio.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* You are using wiki and blogs, why not podcasts?  Allow the media to hear your voice in set sound bytes on demand.-Eric&lt;br /&gt;
* I second the podcast suggestion, and it happens to be my area of expertise.  I'd be happy to help you get started with that.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Prison Reform</title>
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				<updated>2005-12-23T12:58:11Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Comment by Chris: I listened to a Radio West show last week regarding prison reform and think it is an issue that needs addressing.  The show is available at http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&amp;amp;ARTICLE_ID=840664&lt;br /&gt;
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== Drug Policy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The bulk of our prison woes revolves around poor drug policy.  70% of the prison population are serving sentences for non-violent drug offenses, and the US jails more of its population per capita than any other country in the world.  The drug war doesn't work.  It never has, and it never will.  It's time to shift our focus from prohibition and incarceration to education, prevention, and harm reduction -- policies that do work.  An interview with SLC Mayor, Rocky Anderson, was recently featured on the [http://www.drugpolicy.org/ DPA Website].  It gave me hope that people will one day see through the lies and dogma, and adopt policy based on proven results:  [http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/dpaConf2005_InterviewLucianoAndRocky_111205.mp3 Audio Interview with Rocky Anderson on drug policy reform].&lt;br /&gt;
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Fixing our flawed national drug policy will solve a whole lot of our prison problems.  It should absolutely be priority number one.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:58, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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				<updated>2005-12-23T12:42:21Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Hi Pete,&lt;br /&gt;
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We missed you at the December Utah Geek Dinner.  Check out my [http://www.phil801.com/devutah/index.php?title=User:Dilvie user page] on Dev Utah.  Your political ideas are remarkably in-line with [http://www.dilvie.com/reality/ my thinking].  I'd love to chat with you in person.  I hope we get to meet at the January Geek Dinner. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 05:42, 23 December 2005 (MST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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				<updated>2005-10-13T18:42:33Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Birthdays that end in zero seem to hold a special significance to us.&lt;br /&gt;
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On my 40th birthday I went on a photographic safari to Africa. On my 50th I sang at my lifelong friend's funeral.  Sandy had known she was dying for a long time. With each hospitalization for infection, amputation, heart attack and stroke, she knew it was just a matter of time. When she was told she needed dialysis she took control the only way she could. She requested hospice care.  Within a few days we gathered for one last slumber party with our dear, funny friend as Sandy's life came to a premature end.  Sandy didn't die because we don't have the finest medical professionals and pharmaceuticals available. She died because during many periods of her life she lacked health insurance. You cannot manage a chronic illness like diabetes in emergency room visits at each crisis. Even after she lost her right leg at age 42 it was a couple of years before she qualified for Social Security Disability and Medicare coverage. By then the damage to her organs was irreversible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't it time to admit that our market-driven, employer-based system of health care coverage is failing? It is estimated that 25-30 percent ($400 billion per year) of health care expenditures are wasted on the overhead costs of managing hundreds of different private and public health plans. Scott Ideson, president of Regence Blue Cross Blue Shield of Utah, recently stated that that company's administrative expenses were only 8 percent in 2004. But I would like to ask if that figure includes the cost of sales and marketing to the individual employers, TV and print advertising and political lobbyists. I know that 8 percent figure also does not include the cost incurred by physicians and health facilities to submit claims to hundreds of separate health care plans. Ask your family doctor how many clerical employees he or she has to employ to manage the nightmare of submitting claims. &lt;br /&gt;
Private insurers don't compete by delivering care at a lower cost. They compete by creating a risk pool that turns away people with chronic illnesses and by refusing to pay claims.  Do we really believe that 300,000 uninsured Utahns (45 million nationally) are unworthy of receiving consistent, medically necessary care? Medical costs are the leading cause of Utah bankruptcy filings and growth in medical costs in 2004 were four times the growth in wages.&lt;br /&gt;
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More and more businesses are backing away from the promises they have made to employees and retirees. How many small businesses can absorb the $12,000 per family (average family of four), per year, cost of employer provided health insurance? It is costing General Motors $1,500 for each new car to provide health benefits to employees, dependents and retirees. Toyota is locating its seventh North American plant in Canada instead of the United States because the labor costs are cheaper. Lifesavers closed up its plant in Holland, Mich., and moved it to Canada where it could reduce labor costs by $4 an hour.&lt;br /&gt;
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General Electric, Boeing, Lucent Technologies, IBM, Verizon, SBC Communications and Ford Motor are all struggling with sky-rocketing health benefit costs. Seventeen American steel manufacturers have now declared bankruptcy and terminated retiree health coverage. Can we set aside the argument about when life begins and instead ask ourselves why life has to prematurely end for some 18,000 uninsured Americans per year? If the United States had an infant mortality rate as good as Cuba's we would save an additional 2,212 American babies a year. Can any of us with insurance feel certain that we will have coverage should we develop a chronic illness, experience a job loss or change? &lt;br /&gt;
Let's stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and explore a single-payer health plan that covers everyone. Would it displace thousands of people working in the health insurance industry? Absolutely! But wouldn't it be far better to retrain these people to deliver health care rather than to deny health claims? Encourage your congressmen and senators to reintroduce the &amp;quot;States' Right to Innovate in Health Care Act&amp;quot; (formerly H.R. 1033) which would allow an individual state to explore health care reform without jeopardizing existing federal dollar contributions. &lt;br /&gt;
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''Christine B. Helfrich chairs the Health Care Reform Caucus of the Utah Democratic Party. She is an employee of the University of Utah.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Single Payer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Christine, I think &amp;quot;Single Payer&amp;quot; is a great ideal, but far from reality.  In the same sense having a &amp;quot;Hydrogen Economy&amp;quot; would solve many problems, but it won't happen overnight.  What I am proposing with cooperatives is something that could eventually be unified into one system.&lt;br /&gt;
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:How would the cooperatives differ from existing insurance companies and HMOs, asside from being not-for-profit institutions? [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:42, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the mere fact that they're non-for-profit is a big distinction.  One thing that healthcare providers consistently tell me is that the profit-motive does not serve the public in healthcare.  In addition, public regulation and transparency of these coops would be essential.  [[User:Pashdown|Pashdown]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Pete I wish I could believe that non-profits organization/cooperatives could be the answer for health care coverage but the fact is they still have to compete with one another for patients/employers and for risk-pools which keep the sickest patients from participating.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intermountain Health Care is non-profit but there are plenty of physicians, consumers and business people who don't think they play fair. Hospitals and physician providers now contract with the different health plans to accept a discounted fee. IHC takes the difference between the discounted fee and what they consider full price and they call it &amp;quot;charitable care&amp;quot; and take a write off. Patients who are uninsured are billed the full amount by IHC despite the fact the insured patients get the same care at the discounted rate.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris Helfrich State Democratic Health Care Reform Caucus&lt;br /&gt;
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:Putting the coops under the same rules as HSAs would cover the sickest patients.  With a government guarantee, the coop would not have to reject coverage.  In addition, the negotiated discounts that insurance companies receive would also be available to the coop.  Essentially, the coop is nothing more than a HRA (Healthcare Reimbursement Account) that is shared between businesses and individuals that also has the privileges traditional insurance has.&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem that &amp;quot;single-payer&amp;quot; insurance has is the change is monumental.  With relatively stable, effective government systems like Social Security under attack, I think going &amp;quot;single-payer&amp;quot; is nothing more than wishful thinking at this point.  There has to be a more dramatic political shift in Washington before it could ever gain traction. Coops present a private solution that can be a test-bed for larger. [[User:Pashdown|Pete Ashdown]] Thu Sep 15 23:01:44 MDT 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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== Drug Policy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Drug policy is one of my pet issues.  This [http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=ae37ef17-276d-4652-bdb8-4ba1befb62f8&amp;amp;rfp=dta&amp;amp;page=1 article] in the Canadian National Post pretty well sums up my feelings:&lt;br /&gt;
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The War On Drugs Cannot be Won - By James P. Gray&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on my experience as a federal prosecutor with the United States Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, as a criminal defence attorney for the U.S. Navy JAG Corps, and as a trial judge in Orange County, Calif. since 1983, I've concluded that the U.S. government policy of drug prohibition has not only failed, but that it is hopeless.&lt;br /&gt;
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The problem is not that our law enforcement officers aren't doing a good job. In truth is they have a dangerous and difficult task, and are doing better than we have a right to expect. They are no more to blame for the failure of drug prohibition than was Elliott Ness for the failure of alcohol prohibition. The problem, rather, is that our prohibitionist laws make the trafficking in illegal drugs so obscenely profitable that we will never exhaust the supply to criminals willing to take the risk of imprisonment in order to produce and sell them.&lt;br /&gt;
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In fact, our present system is giving us the worst of all worlds. As a direct result of our policy of drug prohibition, crime, violence, corruption, taxes and -- in many cases -- even drug usage have increased, while the health and civil liberties of citizens have suffered. America's &amp;quot;prison-industrial complex&amp;quot; has gotten so fat and powerful from the money our governments have budgeted for the War on Drugs that it has become politically dangerous for elected officials to speak out against the current policy. Under these circumstances, it is up to ordinary people -- as citizens, taxpayers and voters -- to call a halt to these failed policies.&lt;br /&gt;
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We should begin by asking the following questions:&lt;br /&gt;
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- What is a &amp;quot;drug&amp;quot;? If the answer is that a drug is a &amp;quot;mind-altering, sometimes addictive substance,&amp;quot; why are substances such as nicotine, alcohol and even caffeine not also addressed by the same policy?&lt;br /&gt;
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- Why do we not make distinctions between drug use, drug misuse, drug abuse and drug addiction? I agree that marijuana, for example, can have harmful effects upon the user if taken to excess on a regular basis. But obviously, so can alcohol. I drink a glass of wine almost every night with dinner. Does that mean that I am in need of an alcohol treatment program?&lt;br /&gt;
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- Why is it appropriate to send gifted actor Robert Downey Jr. to jail for his problems with cocaine, but send Betty Ford to treatment for her problems with alcohol? Aren't these really medical issues that should be addressed by medical professionals? Shouldn't we use the criminal justice system to address people's conduct, and leave the medical community and social mores to address what people put into their bodies?&lt;br /&gt;
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- Given that there has never been a society in human history that has not embraced some form of mind-altering drug to use and abuse, should we not put our focus on harm reduction, rather than fighting human nature through prohibitionist mechanism?&lt;br /&gt;
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- On a related note, why do our policies not take into account the problems caused by the War on Drugs itself? For example, I have never heard anyone say that it is a good thing to be a heroin addict. But if some people become heroin addicts, why should they also get AIDS from dirty needles? That is a separate problem that is caused by prohibiting the distribution and possession of hypodermic needles and syringes, as well as turning the drug-addicted people into criminals, thus pushing them farther away from medical facilities where they can get help. Moreover, why should the people of Colombia see their military, police, judiciary, safety and way of life corrupted by our drug money? The people of Colombia do not have a drug problem: No one is dying from coca plants. What they have is a devastating drug money problem.&lt;br /&gt;
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History is instructive. Consider that when alcohol prohibition was repealed in the United States, homicides went down by 60% after only one year, and they continued to decline each year thereafter until the beginning of the Second World War. There is no question in my mind that we will experience similar results when we finally repeal drug prohibition.&lt;br /&gt;
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In June of 1994, the RAND Corporation released a study that found we get seven times more value for our tax money by drug treatment programs than by the incarceration of drug addicts. So let's make drug treatment available upon demand, and get the non-problem users of drugs out of the criminal justice system. This will enable us to focus our scarce resources upon the problem users -- men and women who are driven by drugs to commit violent crimes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Further, let's do what we can to take the profit motive out of the sale of drugs. Programs of decriminalization and medicalization are working effectively in countries like Holland and Switzerland. They can work in the United States and Canada as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 12:42, 13 October 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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				<updated>2005-09-21T00:16:54Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Both major parties have plenty to be ashamed of.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Which is why I choose not to align myself with either.  If an independent candidate had a fair shot of getting elected, I wouldn't run with any party at all.  I feel so strongly about opposing the two party system, though, I refuse to run under the banner of either party.  Republicans no longer stand for fiscal responsibility and the limitation of government power, and the Democratic party seems bent on socializing everything.  For now, I'll run as a Libertarian.  The party line seems a bit too enthusiastic about reducing the role of government, but I think it provides a necessary balance.  Government has been over-stepping from both sides of the aisle.  Somebody has to stand up in opposition to the growing influence of government in America. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:07, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::First off, are you running?  If so, could you link your campaign here?  &amp;quot;If an independent candidate had a fair shot,&amp;quot; is precisely the way I feel.  However, consider the impact a Democrat winning this race would have.  Nobody in Washington or the national party is betting on this race and that is fine by me.  However, if I am elected, think of who would be dictating to the party then.  Who would they be listening to?  The &amp;quot;professional election losers&amp;quot;, or the guy who just won in Utah?  The most effective change is change from within.  Right now I feel it is easier to steer the Democrats back to John Kennedy than it would be to steer the Republicans back to Teddy Roosevelt. --[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 23:13, September 15, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I'm not running for the same office, but I'll certainly run for a state seat.  I need to meet with some people before I make an official announcement, but I'll probably endorse your campaign. --[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:16, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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				<updated>2005-09-21T00:05:36Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Original comments by garyt */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
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Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Original comments by garyt ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs:&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates.&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies.&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Energy</id>
		<title>Talk:Energy</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-21T00:04:52Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Original comments by garyt */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Original comments by garyt ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs:&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates.&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to the University of New Hampshire &amp;lt;[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html]&amp;gt;, algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies.&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Energy</id>
		<title>Talk:Energy</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-21T00:03:01Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Original comments by garyt */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Original comments by garyt ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A comprehensive energy policy needs to address multiple issues, which may not share the same solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Nuclear energy addresses, at least in part, the need for a long-term approach to renewable energy.  That will be a very important component in a good energy policy.  A comprehensive policy also needs to address some shorter-term needs:&lt;br /&gt;
:Nuclear energy is a bit too political.  The proposed storage site for nuclear waste is still (mostly) collecting dust, 25 years into the debate.  It's also more expensive than wind energy.  Again, wind in Utah is producing energy more affordably than nuclear in other states. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Immediate dependence on oil for transportation.  This needs to be addressed much sooner than ten years, and it's possible to do, at least in part, immediately and using existing infrastructure and vehicles.  Biodiesel can be used as a direct replacement for petroleum diesel fuel in existing, unmodified engines.  Ethanol can also be used in many gas engines, though there may be limitations either due to engine design or due to conditions in specific locations and climates.&lt;br /&gt;
:Biodiesel, although good for agriculture, worries me because I've heard that it takes more energy to produce than what it offers.  Also, biodiesel plants are supposedly terrible polluters.  This is ''unconfirmed'' by me and I'd be interested in information showing otherwise.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::One of the better papers I've seen on the subject is at [http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf].  There's also some good data at the EPA web site on biodiesel emissions, which in most categories are lower than petroleum diesel: [http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm].  I haven't seen any reports on pollution from biodiesel plants, though. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::According to [[http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html] UNH], algae biodiesel has a 5:1 - 10:1 efficiency ratio.  There is controversial research that shows soybean biodiesel efficiency at 3:1.  Soybean is far less efficient in terms of required expense and landmass. -- [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 18:03, 20 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Conservation, at least in the sense of improving fuel efficiency in vehicles, is an important medium-range goal.  In the longer term, we would probably prefer vehicles that don't depend on internal combustion technology at all, but until such vehicles are ready for market, there is certainly room for improvement in existing technologies.&lt;br /&gt;
:Room for improvement definitely.  However, I don't see why fuel-cell technology is &amp;quot;wait and see&amp;quot; at this point. [http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629.html Honda has a car that is in use right now.]  Local business, [http://www.ceramatec.com/techareas/techa_fuel.php Ceramatec] not only develops fuel-cell technology, but high-temperature electrolysis gear too.  I want a fuel-cell on everything from my cell-phone to my car.  What is holding us back?--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 16:26, September 19, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The concerns I hear most often about fuel cells are safe hydrogen storage, energy cost of producing the hydrogen, and lack of refueling infrastructure.  Even if we had good answers to all of those things, though, I'd still guess that it would take ten years before the majority of cars on the road were using fuel cells: there are people who replace their cars every three years, but there's a huge segment of the population that is still driving cars from the late 80's and early 90's today, because they're paid for, and they're expensive to replace. --[[User:garyt|garyt]] 10:55, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Cheap electricity translates to cheap hydrogen.  Electrolysis is only expensive because the electricity to produce it is.  If we have methods for producing cheap electricity, then the refueling infrastructure can be implemented anywhere.  [http://www.llnl.gov/str/June03/Aceves.html  Lawrence Livermore has a storage system] which by appearances is safer than a gasoline tank.  We need to stop thinking of hydrogen as a fuel but rather as energy storage.  A fuel cell lasts longer and is more efficient than a battery.  Making our energy distribution as mainly electric rather than mainly tanker truck/ship will lower prices.  It will also enable remote areas like the Goshute Reservation to go into energy production rather than waste storage.--[[User:Pashdown|pashdown]] 11:30, September 20, 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Conservation also remains important in the long term.  Replacing incandescent bulbs with more efficient technologies is a good example.  I'd love to see something like LED-based lighting become affordable enough to be an economically viable replacement.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Taxation</id>
		<title>Talk:Taxation</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T04:17:00Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Progressive versus flat */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A flat tax is regressive -- progressive taxation (taxation based on one's ability to pay) is the idea that gave birth to democracy in ancient Athens.  A flat tax system ignores ability to pay, hurts the poor and middle class and favors the rich.  That is why rich people are constantly pushing this crappy idea.  Hatch and most GOPers would love your horrible postion on taxes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Progressive versus flat ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ask your standard GOP flat-taxer about eliminating deductions and exemptions with the flat tax and their argument will fall apart.  None of them want to do that.  That is why their &amp;quot;flat tax&amp;quot; favors the rich.  It isn't really flat.  The &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; flat tax hits dividends and corporate income regardless on how much they can spend on tax attorneys to fight it.  If the rich paid their fair share, the rest of the population would pay a lot less.  Frankly, simplification to the point I've described is the only way I can see of doing it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Right now the progressive tax isn't progressive at all.  As I stated in my position, exemptions and loopholes enable many to get away with no taxes at all.  Is that good for the poor?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Use taxes are far less fair than a flat income tax, as Pete has proposed, because the rich spend a much smaller portion of their income than the poor do.  I don't believe in use tax and property tax, because it has a disproportionate negative impact on the underprivileged.  Our current progressive tax system doesn't work the way it was meant to, for all the reasons that Pete describes.  Besides which, do you have any idea what it costs to maintain our current complex tax structure?  I'm not certain I'm a fan of flat taxes, but I'm certainly a fan of tax simplification. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:17, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Merging state with federal ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I removed this addition that someone added:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''&amp;quot;In addition to the simplification outlined above; significant tax savings could be realized as there could be a consolidation of federal and state tax collection agencies.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From a simplification standpoint, this sounds great, but I really doubt it would ever happen.  It stomps all over states' rights.  I'm not sure if it flies in the face of the constitution either.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:People in different states have different ideas about what their money should be used for.  Those ideas should be respected, and state-level taxes are the only fair way to handle it.  I might be in favor of all taxes being collected by the state, if we could be assured that local corruption wouldn't come into play.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:12, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Taxation</id>
		<title>Talk:Taxation</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T04:12:04Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Merging state with federal */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;A flat tax is regressive -- progressive taxation (taxation based on one's ability to pay) is the idea that gave birth to democracy in ancient Athens.  A flat tax system ignores ability to pay, hurts the poor and middle class and favors the rich.  That is why rich people are constantly pushing this crappy idea.  Hatch and most GOPers would love your horrible postion on taxes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Progressive versus flat ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ask your standard GOP flat-taxer about eliminating deductions and exemptions with the flat tax and their argument will fall apart.  None of them want to do that.  That is why their &amp;quot;flat tax&amp;quot; favors the rich.  It isn't really flat.  The &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; flat tax hits dividends and corporate income regardless on how much they can spend on tax attorneys to fight it.  If the rich paid their fair share, the rest of the population would pay a lot less.  Frankly, simplification to the point I've described is the only way I can see of doing it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Right now the progressive tax isn't progressive at all.  As I stated in my position, exemptions and loopholes enable many to get away with no taxes at all.  Is that good for the poor?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Merging state with federal ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I removed this addition that someone added:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''&amp;quot;In addition to the simplification outlined above; significant tax savings could be realized as there could be a consolidation of federal and state tax collection agencies.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From a simplification standpoint, this sounds great, but I really doubt it would ever happen.  It stomps all over states' rights.  I'm not sure if it flies in the face of the constitution either.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:People in different states have different ideas about what their money should be used for.  Those ideas should be respected, and state-level taxes are the only fair way to handle it.  I might be in favor of all taxes being collected by the state, if we could be assured that local corruption wouldn't come into play.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:12, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Politics</id>
		<title>Talk:Politics</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T04:07:37Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Both major parties have plenty to be ashamed of.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Which is why I choose not to align myself with either.  If an independent candidate had a fair shot of getting elected, I wouldn't run with any party at all.  I feel so strongly about opposing the two party system, though, I refuse to run under the banner of either party.  Republicans no longer stand for fiscal responsibility and the limitation of government power, and the Democratic party seems bent on socializing everything.  For now, I'll run as a Libertarian.  The party line seems a bit too enthusiastic about reducing the role of government, but I think it provides a necessary balance.  Government has been over-stepping from both sides of the aisle.  Somebody has to stand up in opposition to the growing influence of government in America. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 22:07, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:National_Security</id>
		<title>Talk:National Security</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:56:26Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Clean water wells and mosquito-net programs are small, inexpensive ways to help developing countries. Paint an American flag on both of them and children will grow up revering the United States rather than fearing it.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Agreed.  Our national defense should be centered on making friends, rather than initiating war with our enemies. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:56, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Iraq</id>
		<title>Talk:Iraq</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:53:55Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;So your position on Iraq concerning what we do now is virtually identical to Hatch's?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think that's &amp;quot;virtually identical&amp;quot;.  As far as I know, Hatch supported the president's choice to go to war, and still does. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:53, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hatch's position ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do you have a reference to that?  I didn't realize that Hatch doesn't agree with the justifications and rationalizations for the war.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Pete's position ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I agree with your position on the war.  The way we got into it sickens me, but now that we're there, we need to clean up the mess, and we need to supply Iraq with the tools they need to make that happen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:53, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Immigration</id>
		<title>Talk:Immigration</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:49:43Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Tracking ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not convinced that tracking immigrants is so important, and I believe that the problem with immigration is not so much that people are immigrating, but the rate at which our society is able to absorb them.  Rather than spending so much time, money, and energy trying to keep them out, shouldn't we focus on helping them find quality living situations and jobs?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to encourage quality living in their homelands, rather than hunt them down like dogs in the desert, only to send them back through the dangerous revolving door?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How much money would tracking cost?  Don't you think that could be better spent on programs that have a real chance at solving some of the tough challenges that immigration presents?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fact is, most immigrants are not terrorists and criminals.  They're just people trying to find quality of life and feed their hungry families.  Treating them like criminals is not a quality solution.  [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:49, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Dilvie</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Health_Care</id>
		<title>Talk:Health Care</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:42:33Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: /* Single Payer */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Birthdays that end in zero seem to hold a special significance to us. &lt;br /&gt;
    On my 40th birthday I went on a photographic safari to Africa. On my 50th I sang at my lifelong friend's funeral. &lt;br /&gt;
    Sandy had known she was dying for a long time. With each hospitalization for infection, amputation, heart attack and stroke, she knew it was just a matter of time. When she was told she needed dialysis she took control the only way she could. She requested hospice care. &lt;br /&gt;
    Within a few days we gathered for one last slumber party with our dear, funny friend as Sandy's life came to a premature end. &lt;br /&gt;
    Sandy didn't die because we don't have the finest medical professionals and pharmaceuticals available. She died because during many periods of her life she lacked health insurance. You cannot manage a chronic illness like diabetes in emergency room visits at each crisis. &lt;br /&gt;
    Even after she lost her right leg at age 42 it was a couple of years before she qualified for Social Security Disability and Medicare coverage. By then the damage to her organs was irreversible. &lt;br /&gt;
    Isn't it time to admit that our market-driven, employerÃbased system of health care coverage is failing? It is estimated that 25-30 percent ($400 billion per year) of health care expenditures are wasted on the overhead costs of managing hundreds of different private and public health plans. &lt;br /&gt;
    Scott Ideson, president of Regence Blue Cross Blue Shield of Utah, recently stated that that company's administrative expenses were only 8 percent in 2004. But I would like to ask if that figure includes the cost of sales and marketing to the individual employers, TV and print advertising and political lobbyists. &lt;br /&gt;
    I know that 8 percent figure also does not include the cost incurred by physicians and health facilities to submit claims to hundreds of separate health care plans. Ask your family doctor how many clerical employees he or she has to employ to manage the nightmare of submitting claims. &lt;br /&gt;
    Private insurers don't compete by delivering care at a lower cost. They compete by creating a risk pool that turns away people with chronic illnesses and by refusing to pay claims. &lt;br /&gt;
    Do we really believe that 300,000 uninsured Utahns (45 million nationally) are unworthy of receiving consistent, medically necessary care? Medical costs are the leading cause of Utah bankruptcy filings and growth in medical costs in 2004 were four times the growth in wages. &lt;br /&gt;
    More and more businesses are backing away from the promises they have made to employees and retirees. How many small businesses can absorb the $12,000 per family (average family of four), per year, cost of employer provided health insurance? &lt;br /&gt;
    It is costing General Motors $1,500 for each new car to provide health benefits to employees, dependents and retirees. Toyota is locating its seventh North American plant in Canada instead of the United States because the labor costs are cheaper. Lifesavers closed up its plant in Holland, Mich., and moved it to Canada where it could reduce labor costs by $4 an hour. &lt;br /&gt;
    General Electric, Boeing, Lucent Technologies, IBM, Verizon, SBC Communications and Ford Motor are all struggling with sky-rocketing health benefit costs. Seventeen American steel manufacturers have now declared bankruptcy and terminated retiree health coverage. &lt;br /&gt;
    Can we set aside the argument about when life begins and instead ask ourselves why life has to prematurely end for some 18,000 uninsured Americans per year? If the United States had an infant mortality rate as good as Cuba's we would save an additional 2,212 American babies a year. Can any of us with insurance feel certain that we will have coverage should we develop a chronic illness, experience a job loss or change? &lt;br /&gt;
    Let's stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and explore a single-payer health plan that covers everyone. Would it displace thousands of people working in the health insurance industry? Absolutely! But wouldn't it be far better to retrain these people to deliver health care rather than to deny health claims? &lt;br /&gt;
    Encourage your congressmen and senators to reintroduce the &amp;quot;States' Right to Innovate in Health Care Act&amp;quot; (formerly H.R. 1033) which would allow an individual state to explore health care reform without jeopardizing existing federal dollar contributions. &lt;br /&gt;
   --- &lt;br /&gt;
   Christine B. Helfrich chairs the Health Care Reform Caucus of the Utah Democratic Party. She is an employee of the University of Utah.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Single Payer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Christine, I think &amp;quot;Single Payer&amp;quot; is a great ideal, but far from reality.  In the same sense having a &amp;quot;Hydrogen Economy&amp;quot; would solve many problems, but it won't happen overnight.  What I am proposing with cooperatives is something that could eventually be unified into one system.&lt;br /&gt;
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:How would the cooperatives differ from existing insurance companies and HMOs, asside from being not-for-profit institutions? [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:42, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Energy</id>
		<title>Talk:Energy</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:38:20Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Utah is already producing clean electricity with wind power for less money than other states are spending on Nuclear power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Biodiesel fuel can be produced quickly with fast-growing algae (some of which is more than 50% oil), fed by waste water -- cleaning the environment as it grows to replace our fossil fuel dependencies, using a tiny fraction of the land that would be required from soybean oil production.&lt;br /&gt;
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Diesel-electric hybrids running on biodiesel could take advantage of much of our current fossil fuel infrastructure, provide increased fuel efficiency (100% or more increase over traditional vehicles),  and we won't have to wait for bleeding edge technologies to be adopted.  Biodiesel fuel doesn't require special engines -- traditional diesel engines can burn biodiesel fuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have viable solutions to our energy crisis.  All we need are some champions to get behind them and encourage their adoption.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:38, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Education</id>
		<title>Talk:Education</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:25:47Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Input ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to see input from teachers, administrators, school board members, etc. -- people who currently deal with the problems of which you speak day in and day out.  Input from recent highschool graduates or university students would be helpful too.  Teachers know what they need, and I'm sure have some pretty good ideas of what would work.  Also, I have heard you talking about making smaller, specialized schools -- similar to the way Europeans divide kids into different tracks in highschool?&lt;br /&gt;
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:That would be great, but we would need to get the word out about the blog.  Contact some tech-savvy educators and see if they'd be interested in contributing to the discussion. [[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:25, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The role of free learning resources ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One way we could reduce the cost of education in America is through free access to textbooks and course materials.  This could also relieve some of the disparity between affluent, and poverty-stricken Americans.  Here are some interesting links on the topic:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html MIT OpenCourseware]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://cnx.rice.edu/content/ Rice University Connexions]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.publiclibraryofscience.com/ The Public Library of Science]&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:25, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>http://www.peteashdown.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Economy</id>
		<title>Talk:Economy</title>
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				<updated>2005-09-15T03:11:58Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Dilvie: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Lacking solutions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page isn't merely lacking solutions, it's lacking good coverage of the issues surrounding our economic problems.  The links provided talk about energy solutions that other countries are adopting.  That's a great start, but the energy crisis is only one aspect of our economy, and itself is so complex, that it really deserves its own &amp;quot;issue&amp;quot; treatment.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here are some questions to get the creative juices flowing:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Where do you stand on welfare?&lt;br /&gt;
* How can we improve the unemployment ratio?&lt;br /&gt;
* How can we best deal with economic disparities -- particularly in ghettos, and racially divided areas like the south?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 21:11, 14 September 2005 (MDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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